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I'm with Roger on this. Maybe they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group. <br><br>What is the evidence behind that claim?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100<br>To: thansen@moscow.com; keim153@gmail.com<br>From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; rhayes@frontier.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group<br><br>
<div dir="ltr" style=""><div>I do not know anything about this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group?  </div><div>A little bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.</div><div>Roger<br><br><br><br><br></div><div style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left-color:rgb(119, 119, 119);border-left-width:3px;border-left-style:solid">-----Original Message-----<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group<br>From: "Tom Hansen" <br>To: "Darrell Keim" <br>Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16<br><br>

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<div>How's this for "freedom""</div>
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<div>My father was a POW in Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2.  I am convinced that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents of the Citadel.<br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div>
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<span style="font-size:medium">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill </span><br style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:medium">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span> </div>
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<br>On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com" target="_blank">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br> </div>
<blockquote><div>Goodie.  So it will be like Bo Gritz "Almost Heaven" near Kamiah.  Wonderful.<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, <a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=rhayes%40frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=rhayes%40frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="ecxgmail_quote">
<div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div><span>The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed this "group" as a couple of guys with a computer who are trying to drum up a following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.</span></div>
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<font face="Arial"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> "<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020-request%40moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020-request%40moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=vision2020%40moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:47 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Vision2020 Digest, Vol 79, Issue 133<br></font> </div>
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, Darrell Keim <<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=keim153%40gmail.com" target="_blank">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in<br>>> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of<br>>> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.<br>>><br>>> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas<br>>> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://iiicitadel.com/location.html" target="_blank">http://iiicitadel.com/location.html</a><br>>><br>>> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.<br>>><br>>><br>>> =======================================================<br>>>  List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>>>  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>>>                <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a><br>>>          mailto:<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=Vision2020%40moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> =======================================================<br>>><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20130113/1ee5da1e/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20130113/1ee5da1e/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>              <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a><br>          mailto:<a href="http://index.html?_n%5bp%5d%5bmain%5d=win.main.tree&_n%5bp%5d%5bcontent%5d=mail.compose&to=Vision2020%40moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<br><br>End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 79, Issue 133<br>*******************************************<br><br><br> </div></div> </div></div>
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