<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I know a lot of people in the South didn't agree with slavery, but were under the belief that the Federal Government had expanded its power and authority well <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN>beyond</SPAN></SPAN> its <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>constitutional</SPAN></SPAN> authority. Even though the US is in the United Nations and we know our cars are <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-2><SPAN>polluting</SPAN></SPAN> the Earth, killing off the wildlife and causing global flooding which kills millions worldwide, would we easily<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR> accept UN <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-3><SPAN>authority</SPAN></SPAN> to take all our fossil fuel machines which is the back bone of our economy and way of life, or would we fight back?
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<DIV class=yiv1378922368moz-cite-prefix><BR>It's easy from today's perspective to draw a line in the sand and say these guys were wrong or evil or whatever. We live in a society where almost no one in the country alive today has been involved in the slave trade as such. To start up a slave trade today would involve acts that very few of us could even contemplate, let alone carry out. It was a different situation back then. Slavery was an institution that was ingrained in the culture and had been for 240+ years at that point. The first slave ship arrived in Jamestown in 1619. At one point it had been the cornerstone of their economy, since it meant cheap <SPAN id=misspell-6 class=mark>labour</SPAN>, although that was fading by 1860. <BR><BR>It was the issue that divided the nation, true, and it was the reason that the first Southern states had seceded. However, it was the right to secede that was really being
fought over, as far as I can tell. States were more like individual nations back then than they are now. They were fighting for the right to break off from the rest of the union and to forge their own path.<BR><BR>People today seem to assume that the average Confederate soldier was fighting for the right to beat black people because they hated them. They weren't. Slavery may have been the issue that sparked the conflict, but I doubt that's what the actual Confederate soldiers thought about when they asked themselves what they were dying for.<BR><BR>I'm with <SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>Chasuk</SPAN> on this one. <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>Honour</SPAN> them for their bravery. What harm does it do?<BR><BR>As a fun exercise, imagine if a few states today came to the conclusion that owning pets was inhumane. They should be set free and allowed to live their own life, for better or worse, and not be kept for
the pleasure of their owners. Perhaps someday some future people will look down on us in shock and dismay because we let this practice continue. Or think about domesticated cattle or simply about our overcrowded prisons and the widespread problem of prison rape. They will ask how we as a people could condone such <SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>behaviour</SPAN>. I would agree with them, for the most part. But the real question is, how do you get there from here?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>On 01/11/2013 03:09 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<div class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sorry guys, I have to disagree. Honor is associated (in my mind) with the righteous of the cause. Dying to preserve slavery, or establish their own separate slave-based nation, <SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>doesn</SPAN>’t rise to that standard for me. In fact, I can think of a lot of military actions where singular acts of courage occur. For example, saving someone life at the risk of one’s own, (probably lots of Taliban fighters do that). I am <B>really</B> not interested in lobbying for a Taliban monument in Washington D.C. .because they are courageous, are you? After all, Confederates soldiers <SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>didn</SPAN>’t believe they were citizens of the United States. <SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>Doesn</SPAN>’t that make them enemy combatants?</SPAN></div>
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class=mark>Palouse</SPAN> Ranger District; Wild Idaho Rising Tide; Helen <SPAN id=misspell-21 class=mark>Yost</SPAN><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: White House Petition asking Obama not to send a wreath to the Arlington Confederate Monument</SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Friday, January 11, 2013 10:12 AM</SPAN></div></DIV>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A title="mailto:foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org">Friends of the <SPAN id=misspell-23 class=mark>Clearwater</SPAN></A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> ; <A title=jeannemchale@hotmail.com href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com">Jeanne <SPAN id=misspell-24 class=mark>McHale</SPAN></A> ; <A title=fritzknorr@gmail.com href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com">Fritz <SPAN id=misspell-25
class=mark>Knorr</SPAN></A> ; <A title=fprd09@gmail.com href="mailto:fprd09@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:fprd09@gmail.com">Friends of the <SPAN id=misspell-26 class=mark>Palouse</SPAN> Ranger District</A> ; <A title=wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com href="mailto:wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com">Wild Idaho Rising Tide</A> ; <A title=helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu href="mailto:helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu">Helen <SPAN id=misspell-27 class=mark>Yost</SPAN></A> </SPAN></div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal>I disagree with the intent of this petition. Confederate soldiers died with as much honor -- and as much heroism, if such a thing exists -- as their Yankee counterparts. </div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal>On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Tom Hansen <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>> wrote:</div>
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<div class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal>I encourage you to visit and sign the petition linked below.</div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal>"Moscow Cares"</div></DIV>
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<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal><B>Date:</B> January 11, 2013, 8:47:30 AM PST<BR><B>To:</B> <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B> <B>White House Petition asking Obama not to send a wreath to the Arlington Confederate Monument</B></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=yiv1378922368MsoNormal>Tom,<BR> At this URL is a petition asking Obama not to send a wreath to the<BR>Arlington Confederate Monument.<BR><BR><A href="http://wh.gov/PLBU" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://wh.gov/PLBU</A><BR><BR>If you could sign it and let people know about it I would greatly appreciate<BR>it. <BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Ed <SPAN id=misspell-32 class=mark>Sebesta</SPAN><BR><BR><A href="http://arlingtonconfederatemonument.blogspot.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://arlingtonconfederatemonument.blogspot.com/</A><BR><BR></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
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