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It's easy from today's perspective to draw a line in the sand and
say these guys were wrong or evil or whatever. We live in a
society where almost no one in the country alive today has been
involved in the slave trade as such. To start up a slave trade
today would involve acts that very few of us could even
contemplate, let alone carry out. It was a different situation
back then. Slavery was an institution that was ingrained in the
culture and had been for 240+ years at that point. The first
slave ship arrived in Jamestown in 1619. At one point it had been
the cornerstone of their economy, since it meant cheap labour,
although that was fading by 1860. <br>
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It was the issue that divided the nation, true, and it was the
reason that the first Southern states had seceded. However, it
was the right to secede that was really being fought over, as far
as I can tell. States were more like individual nations back then
than they are now. They were fighting for the right to break off
from the rest of the union and to forge their own path.<br>
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People today seem to assume that the average Confederate soldier
was fighting for the right to beat black people because they hated
them. They weren't. Slavery may have been the issue that sparked
the conflict, but I doubt that's what the actual Confederate
soldiers thought about when they asked themselves what they were
dying for.<br>
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I'm with Chasuk on this one. Honour them for their bravery. What
harm does it do?<br>
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As a fun exercise, imagine if a few states today came to the
conclusion that owning pets was inhumane. They should be set free
and allowed to live their own life, for better or worse, and not
be kept for the pleasure of their owners. Perhaps someday some
future people will look down on us in shock and dismay because we
let this practice continue. Or think about domesticated cattle or
simply about our overcrowded prisons and the widespread problem of
prison rape. They will ask how we as a people could condone such
behaviour. I would agree with them, for the most part. But the
real question is, how do you get there from here?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 01/11/2013 03:09 PM, Rosemary Huskey wrote:<br>
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guys, I have to disagree. Honor is associated (in my mind)
with the righteous of the cause. Dying to preserve
slavery, or establish their own separate slave-based nation,
doesn’t rise to that standard for me. In fact, I can think
of a lot of military actions where singular acts of courage
occur. For example, saving someone life at the risk of one’s
own, (probably lots of Taliban fighters do that). I am <b>really</b>
not interested in lobbying for a Taliban monument in
Washington D.C. .because they are courageous, are you?
After all, Confederates soldiers didn’t believe they were
citizens of the United States. Doesn’t that make them enemy
combatants?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rose
Huskey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gary Crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2013 11:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chasuk; Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Friends of the Clearwater; Moscow Vision
2020; Jeanne McHale; Fritz Knorr; Friends of the Palouse
Ranger District; Wild Idaho Rising Tide; Helen Yost<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: White House
Petition asking Obama not to send a wreath to the
Arlington Confederate Monument<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Seconded
with enthusiasm.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
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Friday, January 11, 2013 10:12 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
title="thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Cc:</span></b><span
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org"
title="mailto:foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org
CTRL + Click to follow link">Friends of the
Clearwater</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
title="vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com"
title="jeannemchale@hotmail.com">Jeanne McHale</a> ;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com"
title="fritzknorr@gmail.com">Fritz Knorr</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fprd09@gmail.com"
title="fprd09@gmail.com">Friends of the Palouse
Ranger District</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com"
title="wild.idaho.rising.tide@gmail.com">Wild Idaho
Rising Tide</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu"
title="helen.yost@vandals.uidaho.edu">Helen Yost</a>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
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Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: White House Petition asking
Obama not to send a wreath to the Arlington
Confederate Monument<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree with the intent of this
petition. Confederate soldiers died with as much honor --
and as much heroism, if such a thing exists -- as their
Yankee counterparts. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Tom
Hansen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Visionaires (et al) -<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I encourage you to visit and sign
the petition linked below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seeya round town, Moscow,
because . . .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Moscow Cares"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>Date:</b>
January 11, 2013, 8:47:30 AM PST<br>
<b>To:</b> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>White House Petition asking
Obama not to send a wreath to the Arlington
Confederate Monument</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Tom,<br>
At this URL is a petition asking Obama not to
send a wreath to the<br>
Arlington Confederate Monument.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wh.gov/PLBU" target="_blank">http://wh.gov/PLBU</a><br>
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If you could sign it and let people know about it
I would greatly appreciate<br>
it. <br>
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Regards,<br>
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Ed Sebesta<br>
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