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Does Bouma have political clout? How hard is it to consistently vote the party line. And how hard is it to get elected in Idaho when you have an (R) next to your name?<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:18:23 -0800<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: thansen@moscow.com; philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .<br><br><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">And you think I'm paranoid.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:44 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Another Answer to School Shootings . . .<br> </font>
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<div id="ecxyiv198645218"><div><div><span></span></div><div><div>Something tells me we haven't seen the end of Gresham Bouma.</div><div><br></div><div>Hence, I started my Gresham Bouma scrapbook (complete with videos, sound-bites, photos, etc.) a couple years ago, which I will be more than glad to share publicly when he runs for office again and again and again and . . .</div><div><br></div><div>Just to let you know that my scrapbook collection is not restricted to Gresham Bouma, I have several others going back several years, many of them right here locally. Remember Peg Hamlett? JoAnn Mack? John Weber? </div><div><br></div><div>Call it a hobby.<br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .</div><div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div><div>http://www.MoscowCares.com</div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow,
Idaho</div><div> </div></div></div><div><br>On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Joe Campbell <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div>I meant, we all should care what he thinks because he apparently has some political clout. Someone reminded me he only lost the last election by a two point margin.<br><br>On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Art Deco <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Winning A Republican Primary in Idaho is not necessarily a sign of intelligence, knowledge, honesty, compassion, and/or mental health.<br><br></div>w.<br></div><div class="ecxyiv198645218gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxyiv198645218gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxyiv198645218gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>He won the last two Republican primaries.<div><div class="ecxyiv198645218h5"><br><br>On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Donovan Arnold <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Scott Dredge <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> viz <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:36 PM<br>
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<div>What is the deal with the alleged connection between <span>Obamacare</span> and (supposed) "corporate welfare to big <span>pharma</span>," as you say Scott? That is clearly what he's getting at. I confess ignorance on this matter -- meaning, I have no idea whether there is a link between the two or not. Is there a link? Does anyone know if the comment has any basis? Of course, big <span>pharma</span> has been consistently helped by big government but that was true before Obama and as far as I can tell both <span>Dems</span> and <span>Repubs</span> have been guilty of this sin. Is there something in <span>Obamacare</span> that I've missed suggesting that the situation is likely to get worse? Joe<br>
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<div>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It's interesting that <span>Bouma</span> chooses to list his biases for his 'ideas' on preventing massacres. Vouchers = parents are allowed to send their kids to schools with better security (and as an added bonus <span>Bouma</span> essentially lists that the vouchers target teacher's unions). And now, he pretty much writes that preventing kids from being medicated will prevent shootings (and as an added bonus, <span>Obamacare</span> is stopped and that thus corporate welfare to big <span>pharma</span> would be curtailed). This is pretty much the worst spin I've ever seen put on anything. If he continues in this vein, I'm guessing that his next move will be '[insert any conservative cause] will prevent school shootings because [insert any random bullshit] and as an added bonus [insert underlying Biblical or financial
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</div>From: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:41:58 -0800<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div>It should also be noted that those shooters, identified in the article linked by <span>Bouma's</span> comment, wore under garments (so it has been reported by a source best left <span>un</span> identified). Could the donning of undergarments have been a contributing factor in the commission of these heinous murders?</div>
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<div>If so, Moscow, you can feel safe with me. I haven't worn underwear since 1968.
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<div><br>On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Joe Campbell <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></div>
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<div>The article that <span>Bouma</span> refers to and his use of it provide nice examples of fallacious reasoning. In the article, there is a list of school shooters and then the claim that all of them (not all school shooters but everyone on the list) happened to be prescribed some kind of medication, though in some instances the medication is listed merely as "Med for Depression." Then the claim that the medications are responsible and so we should reject Obama-care!<br>
<br>One fallacy is the confusion of correlation and causation. All the shooters drank water as well but that doesn't mean that drinking water was the cause of the shootings. One needs to establish at least "4 cells" of information in order to make a case for a causal relation: How many took the <span>meds</span> and became shooters? How many didn't take the <span>meds</span> and became
shooters? How many took the <span>meds</span> and didn't become shooters? How many didn't take the <span>meds</span> and didn't become shooters? Correlation fallacies focus on just one bit of this information, In this case, we don't really even get the first cell of info since we don't know that the shooters took the <span>meds</span>, just that they were prescribed medication (not sure how we could know this latter point either, by the way) -- and a variety of <span>meds</span> to boot, some unknown or listed just as "Med for Depression."<br>
<br>Today's logic lesson was brought to you by Starbucks coffee!<br><br></div>
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<div>On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Art Deco <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Does this message from <span>Bouma</span> auger a merging of Freeze Church ans Christ Church?<br><br>w.<br></div></div>
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<div>On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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