You need to do some research. Actually there have been several informative articles posted recently on the V by Art Deco, myself, and others that do a much better job of explaining the point I'm making.<br><br>Suicide is not the only goal. Most of these folks have "empathy issues" (inability to feel or appreciate the pain of others) and feel that they have been wronged by society or others (and are thus justified in seeking revenge) in addition to being suicidal, which would explain why they don't attack police stations etc.<br>
<br>What is your view? Some people are just bad, so they decide to talk their mother's guns and shoot up a bunch of school children so they can ...<br><br>How do YOU fill in the ellipses?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>"The point was that if potential shooters know that schools and other
public venues will now have armed guards on hand, then it make have the wrong
effect. It might be that potential shooters are MORE likely to flock to public
venues; it might cause the number of shooting instances to rise instead of
lowering those instances. Saundra made this initially and I think she's right.
We need to do more research etc. before jumping to the conclusion that armed
guards are the answer."</div>
</div><div><br><font face="Arial">This really doesn't make all that much sense.
Events such as those we are discussing don't often occur at police stations or
sheriffs departments. I've yet to hear of a similar situation occurring at a gun
show or a rifle/pistol range. It seems that when the deranged decide to go on
their spree they go where they can rack up high numbers and schools are prime
targets. That said I disagree with the NRA in regard to putting an armed man in
every school. Given the low probability of any given school suffering a mass
shooting event it would be a total over-reaction. Allowing willing school
personnel with CWP's to carry on the job however strikes me as a reasonable
thing. A "gun free zone" policy and a placard at every entrance
has proven to be ineffective in deterring shootings. Apparently the crazy
don't stop to read signs.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">On a slightly different note, amid the furor to
reinstate and expand upon "assault weapons" bans please see:</font></div>
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<div><a title="http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495" target="_blank">http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495</a><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Amazing how much traction this addition piece of
information isn't getting. If the dread assault rifle and hi-cap
magazines weren't a factor at the Sandy Hook incident, what should those
folks who have a serious case of do something disease fall back on?
</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 01, 2013 1:06 PM</div><div><div class="h5">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">Saundra Lund</a> ; <a title="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">viz</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Huh?</div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<div><br></div>The point was that if potential shooters know that schools and
other public venues will now have armed guards on hand, then it make have the
wrong effect. It might be that potential shooters are MORE likely to flock to
public venues; it might cause the number of shooting instances to rise instead
of lowering those instances. Saundra made this initially and I think she's
right. We need to do more research etc. before jumping to the conclusion that
armed guards are the answer.<br><br>You are correct that there have been cases
in which armed citizens have "saved the day." There is also the Moscow case,
where the young stud ran out in an effort to "help." I'm certain if you asked
any police official whether he did more harm than good, they'd say more harm and
would discourage such actions. But the fact is that this is a debatable issue.
I've actually stated my view on the topic previously but I'll do so again. I'm
sure I post too much for anyone to possibly keep up!<br><br>Guns can help but
guns also carry risks. If we're talking about armed citizens, who need not have
any particular training with firearms or dangerous situations, the risk factor
will certainly go up. Based on the information I've seen the key question is,
What is the probability that a gun will be needed for protection? If it is
relatively high -- if you are a police officer, or a drug dealer, or a
prostitute, or live in an area with a high rate of gun violence -- then the
benefits of having your own gun will likely outweigh the risks. If the chance of
gun violence is relatively low -- as it is in Moscow, or in say a school
building -- then the risks will likely outweigh the benefits. Since, as you and
others continually point out, shootings by mass killers are relatively rare,
introducing more guns into areas that are relatively safe -- like schools --
will likely increase gun accidents rather than save lives. It seems like a bad
idea, based on everything that I've read.<br><br>Best, Joe<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><u></u>
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<div><font face="Calibri">I don't understand what a shooters suicidal tendencies
would have to do with anything. Dead sooner via bystanders intervention beats
dead later via self inflicted wound with a larger body count. As to your
second point, I can recall having read of armed citizens effectively
intervening in various situations to good effect. Granted I know of no
instance with regard to a mass shooting where an armed citizen saved the
day but I do not remember an instance where such action made things
worse. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">g</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:02 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">Saundra Lund</a> ; <a title="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">viz</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Huh?</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>An undeniably valid point is that most shooters in mass
killings are suicidal. Most of them kill themselves or attempt to kill
themselves after killing others. There is no reason more reason to think that
it will help the situation than there is to think that it will make matters
worse.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><u></u>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
dunno, Gary – if you think my response was “extra unpleasant” for pointing
out the sheer lunacy of the proposal, I think you need to read some of your
own responses . . . and grow the thicker skin as you seem to expect from
others."</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000">I don't expect much of anything from others and as your
pal tom has pointed out, my skin is more than adequately thick. I
was simply pointing out that charging out of the chute with your
shrill fishwife demeanor might be less then conducive to dialog. I know
I certainly find it off putting, perhaps in your circles it's considered
charming. Either way, I was just asking and now the answer is
clear.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000"></font></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">And,
WTG! Completely ignore the valid points I raise. I guess that’s
the only response you could make given the unmitigated and uncountable
instances in which the mere presence of guns hasn’t stopped shooters, spree
& otherwise.</span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span></font></span> </p>
<span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Did
you know, for instance, that there was someone <b>right there</b> carrying a
gun in the Tucson massacre, yet <b>unarmed</b> people had the shooter
controlled before the heat-packing dude could do a
thing?<u></u><u></u></span></p></span></font></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span></font></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span></span></font></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span></p></font>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><font color="#000000">I provided no response because your point is anything but
valid. Of course there will be instances where good guys with firearms won't
carry the day in that they can't be everywhere. Did the fellow you refer to
in Tucson or the armed individuals at Columbine make the situation
worse? There are countless situations where an armed response by a
responsible citizen has saved lives, their own and those of
others. Trying to make the argument that since they can't be the
perfect solution in every instance, they can't be the solution in any
instance is faulty logic in the extreme.</font></span></span></p>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">Saundra Lund</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 31, 2012 10:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">'Gary Crabtree'</a> ; <a title="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">'Gary Crabtree'</a> ;
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">'viz'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Huh?</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
dunno, Gary – if you think my response was “extra unpleasant” for pointing
out the sheer lunacy of the proposal, I think you need to read some of your
own responses . . . and grow the thicker skin as you seem to expect from
others.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">And,
WTG! Completely ignore the valid points I raise. I guess that’s
the only response you could make given the unmitigated and uncountable
instances in which the mere presence of guns hasn’t stopped shooters, spree
& otherwise.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Did
you know, for instance, that there was someone <b>right there</b> carrying a
gun in the Tucson massacre, yet <b>unarmed</b> people had the shooter
controlled before the heat-packing dude could do a
thing?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Yet
another inconvenient fact, eh?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Saundra<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> Gary Crabtree
[mailto:<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December
22, 2012 6:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; 'Gary Crabtree';
'viz'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020]
Huh?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
thought the point here was to discuss options. Do you imagine that being
extra unpleasant lends an extra level of credence to your point of view?
</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif'">g</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a title="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">Saundra Lund</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> Friday,
December 21, 2012 8:18 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">To:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a title="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">'Gary Crabtree'</a> ;
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">'viz'</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> Re:
[Vision2020] Huh?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">It
worked soo well at Columbine, didn’t it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Confrontation
by the armed officer on campus & the exchange of fire drove one of
the shooters <b>back into the school</b> to continue the slaughter.
There’s a stellar success!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Oops
– but don’t confuse you with reality & facts,
right?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Saundra<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gary Crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 21, 2012 1:40
PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Campbell<br><b>Cc:</b> viz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] Huh?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Training to become a cop in Idaho is 10 weeks making time
not much of an issue. There are quite a few things covered in POST that a
school guard would not need training in (pursuit driving, crime scene
investigation, etc. ) further reducing the time needed to get qualified
people in place. Utilizing vets who were MP's or members of security
detachments along with retired police officers would be prime candidates for
positions such as this.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">All entry doors in a facility could be easily modified to
emergency exit only except for one. This would make it so all visitors would
be funneled through one door and past one armed
guard.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I really don't see what make this idea so unworkable
other then the fact that it doesn't jibe very well with the anti-gun
agenda.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">g<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Scott,<br><br>There was an
Assistant Director of the FBI on CNN today explaining why this cannot be
implemented. Think of the training required before you release folks with
guns onto school campuses. Then think of the number of schools, the number
of doors to the school that would need to be guarded, the costs of training
and hiring an education militia, and the number of qualified people
available for those positions. This is a bad idea that does not stand a
chance of getting passed. Forget about it and move on to some actual
solution.<br><br>Best, Joe<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Armed security is something
that could be implemented, regulated, and enforced much more easily than gun
control, gun bans, etc. Armed security guards could be subjected to
more rigorous background and mental heath checks plus mandatory training and
licensing without having that pesky 2nd Amendment coming into the mix.
Somewhat similar to how we supposedly have air marshalls on some
flights. This might be one of the very few things that the Republicans
would actually be OK to put on the fragile shoulders of tax paying
individuals and businesses.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:36:59
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Huh?<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any
lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our
kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single
school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work —
and by that I mean armed security."<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the
National Rifle Association (December 21, 2012)<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/cphq5lp" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/cphq5lp</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Moscow Cares"<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tom Hansen<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Moscow, Idaho<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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