<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Yet I'd still prefer having one available if I ever needed one. There are ways around this seemingly insurmountable problem, I'm sure.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com>; Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm>; vision 2020
<vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:33 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .<br> </font> </div> <br>
<meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv856299048"><div><div>Paul,</div><div><br></div><div>You just offered an argument for why guns offer false protection. Either they are handy yet there are safety issues, or they are safe, locked away, and useless. Joe<br><br>On Dec 18, 2012, at 10:58 PM, "Sue Hovey" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Paul, it’s second guessing, but I, too, have wondered why she didn’t keep
them in a gun safe. Surely not all were bought for self
protection. She had talked with others about enjoying the shooting
range. This isn’t meant to be a rationale for anything, just a sidebar.
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<div>Sue H. </div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:02 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">Saundra
Lund</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision 2020'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . .
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:12pt;">I'd
also like to point out that all the mental health evaluations in the world
needed to purchase a gun wouldn't have helped in this case because they weren't
his guns to begin with.<br><br>Once the hysteria dies down, thinking up ways
that we can help ensure that gun owners are more responsible with their guns at
home when they are not being used would be a good idea. If this guy's
mother had kept her guns in a gun safe, he would have had a harder time getting
to them. They would have been safe from any children that might have been
in the house as well, and probably would have made them less accident-prone as
well. The downside is that they are not immediately available if you hear
a prowler in the house.<br><br>Paul<br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Donovan Arnold
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>; Saundra Lund <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>>
<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'vision 2020'
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:58
AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020]
Isn't it about time . . .<br></font></div>
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<div><span><span id="yiv856299048misspell-0"><span>I don't know about you, but I
still see lots of dangerous idiots behind the wheel of cars regardless of all
the regulations. </span></span></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span><span><span></span></span></span> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span><span><span></span></span></span> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span><span><span>Unfortunately</span></span>,
regardless of the timing or breathe of time allowed to resolve an issue, the
nation usually chooses political and financial solutions for the wealthy,<var id="yiv856299048yui-ie-cursor"></var> not realistic ones that resolve the real
problems for the average person. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span>My
bet will be the average person will have to pay an extra $100 a year to go to
the mental health <span id="yiv856299048misspell-1"><span>professionals</span></span> that are lobbying
Congress to do bullshit mental health evaluations on all persons wanting to
purchase certain particular automatic rifles that will not even be in production
in a year. </span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span></span> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span>Its
kind of like the physicals truck drivers are required to take <span id="yiv856299048misspell-0">before</span> pulling an 80,000 load down the
highway. You can tell just by looking at a 72 year old, chain smoking, 350lbs
driver he could drop dead any minute (and they do, even while driving), but they
get their DOT health clearance cards anyways, by simply paying the $100.
</span></div>
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<div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
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Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> Saundra Lund
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'vision 2020'
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 17, 2012 9:41
PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020]
Isn't it about time . . .<br></font></div>
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<div class="yiv856299048moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2012 08:14 PM, Saundra Lund
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Paul wrote:</span></div>
<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">“Anything we try
to do in the meantime will almost certainly be an overreaction.”</span><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Hogwash. </span></div>
<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;"></span> </div>
<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Given the horrendous regularity of gun
violence in this nation, how convenient for people to propose that
<b>after</b> violence <span id="yiv856299048misspell-3" class="yiv856299048mark">isn</span>’t the time to look at much needed and long
overdue reforms. That position guarantees reform will <b>never</b>
happen because there will <b>never</b> be enough time between incidents.
And, frankly, I don’t know how those who’<span id="yiv856299048misspell-4" class="yiv856299048mark">ve</span> continued to advocate the “hands off”
approach to meaningful reform dare to look in their damn mirrors
anymore.</span></div></div></blockquote><br>You are generally a calm, rational
poster. You mention a solution below (treating guns with the same types of
laws we treat buying, selling, and operating cars) that has promise and should
be discussed. Watch over the next few days, on this list and on the
national stage, what solutions will be proposed. I could be wrong,
but I expect calm, rational solutions to be in the minority.<br><br>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Fortunately, many people are far more
capable of reasoned thinking in crisis than you want to give us credit
for. Besides, Paul, quite a few people, including a lot of really smart
ones, have been discussing reasonable reform long before the SHES
tragedy. It’s not like the lunacy of gun violence in America is
new.<b></b></span></div>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Long before the SHES tragedy, I was
beyond heartbroken by the nearly daily news coverage of this child or that
being accidentally shot – and often killed -- by their parents’ weapons.
And, I was beyond weary of this person or that being killed by a stolen gun or
a gun purchased through the gun show loophole that <b>never</b> should have
been sold to an individual. It’s crystal clear to me that far too many
“gun enthusiasts” take advantage of their right to have whatever weapons their
hearts’ desire without taking the <b>responsibility</b> that goes along with
having those weapons, and anyone who argues that <span id="yiv856299048misspell-5" class="yiv856299048mark">isn</span>’t the case is a
damn fool or a damn liar. When products have hurt or killed far, far
fewer than those who are victims or survivors of gun violence, we
<b>demand</b> reform. What on earth is wrong with people who choose to
accept the shameless fear-mongering of the despicable NRA over good-<span id="yiv856299048misspell-6" class="yiv856299048mark">ol</span>’
<b>American </b>common sense?!?</span></div></div></blockquote><br>There is
plenty of room for compromise here, as long as both sides of the conversation
can actually happen. In this media circus atmosphere, who dares stand up
for the original intent of the Second Amendment, when "think of the children!"
is all that we will hear? I'm damn tired of people trying to manipulate me
through fear. In 2009 there were 11,493 firearm related homicides in the
U.S. In 2009 there were also 125,464 deaths due to acute myocardial
infarction. Are people going to get up in arms about the bad health of the
average American the next time a celebrity dies of a heart attack with the same
<span id="yiv856299048misspell-7" class="yiv856299048mark">fervour</span> that is
happening right now over this massacre? I doubt it, because this is a
spectacle and it sells. Thus, my earlier contention that it might be a
good idea to wait until Lindsay <span id="yiv856299048misspell-8" class="yiv856299048mark">Lohan</span> goes to rehab again and the media spotlight
turns on her before we can make any serious progress that has a hope of standing
up in court.<br><br>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Paul also wrote:</span></div>
<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">“</span><span style="COLOR:black;">For
instance, if I said "the second amendment is about more than protecting
kindergartners from being shot", I would currently be lambasted as an uncaring
person who is dancing on the graves of 6 year-<span id="yiv856299048misspell-9" class="yiv856299048mark">olds</span> or something.”</span></div>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Nonsense, and I’m getting pretty tired
of your very frequent “everybody always picks on me” belly-aching. Is
this paranoia a part of your daily life, or do you just show it
here?</span></div></div></blockquote><br>It's not a cry for help, it's merely a
prediction. When previous attempts at calm, rational discourse have been
twisted so horribly, so many times, you start to see a pattern emerge. One
that even a myopic social liberal, fiscal conservative, and civil libertarian
will notice after a while.<br><br>Paul<br><br>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Saundra</span></div>
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<div class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 17, 2012
4:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Sue <span id="yiv856299048misspell-11" class="yiv856299048mark">Hovey</span>; <span id="yiv856299048misspell-12" class="yiv856299048mark">Sunil</span> <span id="yiv856299048misspell-13" class="yiv856299048mark">Ramalingam</span>; vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .</span></div></div></div>
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<div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">A few days after the accident when they are discussing
the funerals on TV of the kids and are interviewing bereaved parents and
getting the "man on the street's" view of things is a horrible time to try to
sit down and have a rational conversation about what we can and cannot do to
help strengthen our gun laws or figure out a better way to deal with mental
health problems. It's a great time to act if you are a group that has a
preset agenda and just happens to have a bill all written up that you have
been dying to pass, but that won't help anyone but the people with the
agendas. See our reaction as a country to 9/11 as a good lesson on this
topic.<br><br>I'm hoping lawmakers will wait until the passion of the moment
has died down and we have some distance before we try to rework the gun
laws. Fat chance, I know.<br><br>For instance, if I said "the second
amendment is about more than protecting kindergartners from being shot", I
would currently be lambasted as an uncaring person who is dancing on the
graves of 6 year-<span id="yiv856299048misspell-14" class="yiv856299048mark">olds</span> or something. *Maybe* in a few weeks
we'll be able to really discuss it. Anything we try to do in the
meantime will almost certainly be an overreaction.<br><br>Paul</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> Sue <span id="yiv856299048misspell-15" class="yiv856299048mark">Hovey</span> <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">suehovey@moscow.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">><br><b>To:</b> <span id="yiv856299048misspell-16" class="yiv856299048mark">Sunil</span> <span id="yiv856299048misspell-17" class="yiv856299048mark">Ramalingam</span>
<</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">>; vision 2020 <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">> <br><b>Cc:</b> Paul Rumelhart
<</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">godshatter@yahoo.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December
17, 2012 3:07 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . .
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">“Knee-jerk reaction or fear-driven acts.” Those are
interesting but patronizing ways to characterize the responses to these
killings, and of the same mindset, I think, as “guns don’t kill
people.” We need to be considering all our options and we should
have been doing that for a very long time. Those of us who live
here, own guns, and use them for hunting and self-protection need to be
willing to look at the cultural issues that are bigger than our own
mindsets. Might it not be that we need to consider restating the Second
Amendment in such a way as to prohibit private ownership of certain types of
armament? We already do some of that within the scope of the amendment;
why not look further? Why not consider the way we publicize the
events...the murderer, who may have never had much in the way of self
gratification, can be sure if his, yes his, crime is of a certain magnitude,
he will be remembered for the way it was publicized with his face on every
newscast and every front page? A First Amendment question....dare we consider
it? There are a lot of issues here, none of them
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<div style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;"><span id="yiv856299048misspell-19" class="yiv856299048mark">Sunil</span> <span id="yiv856299048misspell-20" class="yiv856299048mark">Ramalingam</span></span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> </span></div></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">Sent:</span></b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> Monday, December 17, 2012 2:06
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2020</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">
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<div style="BACKGROUND:whitesmoke;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time .
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">But the cartoon doesn't advocate banning all guns. It
shows someone leaving the NRA, which opposes the regulation you find
reasonable.<br><br>The <span id="yiv856299048misspell-21" class="yiv856299048mark">NRA's</span> response to regulation is fear-driven.
It's one of their marketing techniques, or to use another of your terms below,
a knee-jerk reaction.<br><br><span id="yiv856299048misspell-22" class="yiv856299048mark">Sunil</span></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt;BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012
14:01:04 -0800<br>From: </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><span>godshatter@yahoo.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;"><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . .
.<br>To: </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><span>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;">; </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span>vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;"></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">There's a difference between being prepared and simply
reacting to something. I take a blanket and a flashlight with me on
winter trips in the car, I carry jumper cables in the trunk, I have smoke
alarms and a fire extinguisher in my house, I bring a space blanket, some
matches, and a folding knife with me when I go hiking, and I keep a gun at
home in case I need to protect myself.<br><br>Banning all guns because someone
used one in a horrifying way appears to me to be more of a fear-driven
act. There is definitely room for improvement in who we sell guns to and
how well we learn how to use them but that's a discussion that should happen
after the knee-jerk reactions have passed.<br><br>Paul</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> <span id="yiv856299048misspell-23" class="yiv856299048mark">Sunil</span> <span id="yiv856299048misspell-24" class="yiv856299048mark">Ramalingam</span> <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">><br><b>To:</b> vision 2020
<</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;">vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style="COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt;">> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December
17, 2012 1:33 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . .
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<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt;BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">Paul,<br><br>Doesn't
that apply to both sides of the argument?<br><br><span id="yiv856299048misspell-25" class="yiv856299048mark">Sunil</span></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt;BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012
13:27:10 -0800<br>From: </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><span style="COLOR:black;"><br>To: </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><span style="COLOR:black;">; </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><span style="COLOR:black;"><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . .
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white;" class="yiv856299048MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:black;">If you want your life to be ruled by fear-driven reflex,
sure.<br><br>Paul</span></div>
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