<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Wayne, which responses are "knee jerk"and what defines them as such? <br><br>Sent from my iPad Sue Hovey</div><div><br>On Dec 17, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Wayne Price <<a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Paul,<div><br></div><div>A thoughtful, well reasoned approach about a subject that I would list as "Gun Violence", which I agree has to be gotten under control.</div><div>But in the mean time, we'll have to suffer through all of the "knee-jerk" responses. This list is a good example of that.</div><div><br></div><div>WMP</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 17, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">A few days after the accident when they are discussing the funerals on TV of the kids and are interviewing bereaved parents and getting the "man on the street's" view of things is a horrible time to try to sit down and have a rational conversation about what we can and cannot do to help strengthen our gun laws or figure out a better way to deal with mental health problems. It's a great time to act if you are a group that has a preset agenda and just happens to have a bill all written up that you have been dying to pass, but that won't help anyone but the people with the agendas. See our reaction as a country to 9/11 as a good lesson on this topic.<br><br>I'm hoping lawmakers will wait until the passion of the moment has died down and we have some distance before we try to rework the gun laws. Fat chance, I know.<br><br>For instance, if I said "the second amendment is about more than protecting kindergartners from being shot", I would currently be lambasted as an uncaring person who is dancing on the graves of 6 year-olds or something. *Maybe* in a few weeks we'll be able to really discuss it. Anything we try to do in the meantime will almost certainly be an overreaction.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>; vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 17, 2012 3:07 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .<br> </font> </div> <br> <meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv678217714"> <style><!-- #yiv678217714 .yiv678217714hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv678217714 body.yiv678217714hmmessage { font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} --></style> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;FONT-SIZE:12pt;"> <div>“Knee-jerk reaction or fear-driven acts.” Those are interesting but patronizing ways to characterize the responses to these killings, and of the same mindset, I think, as “guns don’t kill people.” We need to be considering all our options and we should have been doing that for a very long time. Those of us who live here, own guns, and use them for hunting and self-protection need to be willing to look at the cultural issues that are bigger than our own mindsets. Might it not be that we need to consider restating the Second Amendment in such a way as to prohibit private ownership of certain types of armament? We already do some of that within the scope of the amendment; why not look further? Why not consider the way we publicize the events...the murderer, who may have never had much in the way of self gratification, can be sure if his, yes his, crime is of a certain magnitude, he will be remembered for the way it was publicized with his face on every newscast and every front page? A First Amendment question....dare we consider it? There are a lot of issues here, none of them trivial. </div> <div> </div> <div>Sue H.</div> <div style="FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none;"> <div style="FONT:10pt tahoma;"> <div> </div> <div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5;"> <div style=""><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 17, 2012 2:06 PM</div> <div><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .</div></div></div> <div> </div></div> <div style="FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none;"> <div dir="ltr">But the cartoon doesn't advocate banning all guns. It shows someone leaving the NRA, which opposes the regulation you find reasonable.<br><br>The NRA's response to regulation is fear-driven. It's one of their marketing techniques, or to use another of your terms below, a knee-jerk reaction.<br><br>Sunil<br> <div> <div id="yiv678217714SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div> <hr id="yiv678217714stopSpelling"> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:01:04 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .<br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br> <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:12pt;">There's a difference between being prepared and simply reacting to something. I take a blanket and a flashlight with me on winter trips in the car, I carry jumper cables in the trunk, I have smoke alarms and a fire extinguisher in my house, I bring a space blanket, some matches, and a folding knife with me when I go hiking, and I keep a gun at home in case I need to protect myself.<br><br>Banning all guns because someone used one in a horrifying way appears to me to be more of a fear-driven act. There is definitely room for improvement in who we sell guns to and how well we learn how to use them but that's a discussion that should happen after the knee-jerk reactions have passed.<br><br>Paul<br> <div><span><br></span></div> <div> </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt;"> <div style="FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 17, 2012 1:33 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .<br></font></div> <div> </div> <div id="yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081"> <style><!-- #yiv678217714 .yiv678217714externalclass #yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081 .yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081hmmessage p {padding:0px;} #yiv678217714 .yiv678217714externalclass #yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081 body.yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma;} --></style> <div> <div dir="ltr">Paul,<br><br>Doesn't that apply to both sides of the argument?<br><br>Sunil<br><br> <div> <div id="yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div> <hr id="yiv678217714ecxyiv1382746081stopSpelling"> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:27:10 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .<br><br> <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:12pt;">If you want your life to be ruled by fear-driven reflex, sure.<br><br>Paul<br> <div><span><br></span></div> <div> </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt;"> <div style="FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;FONT-SIZE:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 17, 2012 12:44 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] Isn't it about time . . .<br></font></div><br><img src="cid:"><br><br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .<br><br>"Moscow Cares"<br><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><br> <br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net/</a><br> mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<br><br></div></div></div><br>======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a> =======================================================</div></div></div></div><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<br><br></div></div></div></div></div> <div> </div><hr> =======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</div></div></div></div> </div><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="on"><br><br> </div> </div> </div></div>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></body></html>