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<DIV>We aren’t going to put any money back into mental health..not even for
aggressive behavior, unless the individual is incarcerated or held in a
hospital. If you want mental health services for folks with aggressive
behavior here, you generally have to pay for them yourself. And mental
health providers are being forced to deal with cases for which they don’t have
training, or being told they must serve those with potentially aggressive
behavior in groups with others not so identified and in environments that
aren’t secure. </DIV>
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<DIV>Carl, that was an excellent article. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=idahovandal1@live.com
href="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com">Carl Westberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 17, 2012 3:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] [Spam 5.30] Re: [Spam 4.41] Do We Have the
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<DIV dir=ltr>Roger, you say "concentrate on mental health". Great.
This is an excerpt from the article I provided a link to earlier written by the
mother of a 13 year old, very troubled boy, and what the mental health system
has been like. Any ideas? <BR>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, times new roman, serif">"When I asked my son’s
social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to
get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a
paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything
done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, times new roman, serif">I don’t believe my son
belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to
sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems
like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally
ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates
in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact,
the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the
non-incarcerated population. (<A
href="http://www.hrw.org/news/2006/09/05/us-number-mentally-ill-prisons-quadrupled">http://www.hrw.org/news/2006/09/05/us-number-mentally-ill-prisons-quadrupled</A>)</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, times new roman, serif">With state-run treatment
centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally
ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail, and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed
the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011 (<A
href="http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140167676/nations-jails-struggle-with-mentally-ill-prisoners">http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140167676/nations-jails-struggle-with-mentally-ill-prisoners</A>)</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, times new roman, serif">No one wants to send a
13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to
jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken
healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured
soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we
wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”</SPAN></DIV>
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From: philosopher.joe@gmail.com<BR>Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:00:19 -0800<BR>To:
lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[Spam 5.30] Re: [Spam 4.41] Do We Have the Courage to Stop This?(
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<DIV>This is terrible argument. Why do conservatives always use it? Criminals
will always break the law. If that is a reason not to have a gun laws, then it
is a reason not to have laws at all.<BR><BR>On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:25 PM, lfalen
<<A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>>
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<DIV>It should be obvious. Honest people will obey the law, criminals will
not. They will either steal them or get them on the black market. Also it will
embolden criminals it they think honest people do not have guns. It should
also be pointed out that there are plenty of other ways to kill people, bombs
for instance. Concentrate on mental health and improving safety at the
schools. Although Sandy Hoook had good security, other schools do not.
Nothing is fail safe.</DIV>
<DIV>Roger<BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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the Courage to Stop This?( corrected)<BR>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <BR>To:
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<DIV dir=ltr>Roger,<BR><BR>You say 'It is down right stupid to think that
making gun ownership illigal will prevent this sort of
thing.'<BR><BR>Why?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:15:34 +0100<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>From: <A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [Spam 4.41] Do We Have the Courage to Stop This?(
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Message-----<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam 4.41] Do We Have the Courage
to Stop This?<BR>From: lfalen<BR>To: "Art Deco" , <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date:
12/17/12 21:02:00<BR><BR>
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<DIV><BR>It is down right stupid to think that making gun ownership
illigal will prevent this sort of thing. However some of the
recommendations made by Kistoff might make sense. While to date no mass
killing has been stopped by someone else carrying a gun, it may have cut down
on the number if someone there had a gun. Overall areas where concealed
carry is legal gun crime has been reduced. Requiring gun safety training
before a permit is isssued makes sense. I think safety traing shold also be
required to get a hunting licence. Concealed carry is better than open
carry. This way crimminals do not know who is armed and who is not. It is hard
to understand what motivates these people. In the posssibility that part of it
may be to make a name for themselves, it might help if the names of
these people were never reported.</DIV>
<DIV>Roger<BR><BR><BR><BR> </DIV>
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Stop This?<BR>From: "Art Deco"<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date:
12/17/12 12:58:32<BR><BR>
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<DIV>December 15, 2012</DIV>
<H1>Do We Have the Courage to Stop This?</H1>
<H6>By <SPAN><A title="More Articles by NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF"
href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/nicholasdkristof/index.html"
rel=author target=_blank><SPAN>NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF</SPAN></A></SPAN> </H6>
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<DIV>IN the harrowing aftermath of the school shooting in Connecticut, one
thought wells in my mind: Why can't we regulate guns as seriously as we do
cars?</DIV>
<DIV>The fundamental reason kids are dying in massacres like this one is not
that we have lunatics or criminals - all countries have them - but that we
suffer from a political failure to regulate guns.</DIV>
<DIV>Children ages 5 to 14 in America are 13 times as likely to be murdered
with guns as children in other industrialized countries, according to <A
href="https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/faculty/david-hemenway/"
target=_blank>David Hemenway</A>, a public health specialist at Harvard who
has written an excellent book on gun violence.</DIV>
<DIV>So let's treat firearms rationally as the center of a public health
crisis that claims one life every 20 minutes. The United States realistically
isn't going to ban guns, but we can take steps to reduce the carnage.</DIV>
<DIV>American schoolchildren are protected by building codes that govern
stairways and windows. School buses must meet safety standards, and the bus
drivers have to pass tests. Cafeteria food is regulated for safety. The only
things we seem lax about are the things most likely to kill.</DIV>
<DIV>The Occupational Safety and Health Administration has five pages of
regulations about <A
href="http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&p_id=10839"
target=_blank>ladders</A>, while federal authorities shrug at serious curbs on
firearms. Ladders kill around 300 Americans a year, and <A
href="http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-05-07/news/bs-ed-guns-letter-20110507_1_gun-violence-gun-injuries-bin"
target=_blank>guns 30,000</A>.</DIV>
<DIV>We even regulate toy guns, by requiring orange tips - but lawmakers don't
have the gumption to stand up to National Rifle Association extremists and
regulate real guns as carefully as we do toys. What do we make of the contrast
between heroic teachers who stand up to a gunman and craven, feckless
politicians who won't stand up to the N.R.A.?</DIV>
<DIV>As one of my Facebook followers wrote after I posted about the shooting,
"It is more difficult to adopt a pet than it is to buy a gun."</DIV>
<DIV>Look, I grew up on an Oregon farm where guns were a part of life; and my
dad gave me a .22 rifle for my 12th birthday. I understand: shooting is fun!
But so is driving, and we accept that we must wear seat belts, use headlights
at night, and fill out forms to buy a car. Why can't we be equally adult about
regulating guns?</DIV>
<DIV>And don't say that it won't make a difference because crazies will always
be able to get a gun. We're not going to eliminate gun deaths, any more than
we have eliminated auto accidents. But if we could reduce gun deaths by
one-third, that would be 10,000 lives saved annually.</DIV>
<DIV>Likewise, don't bother with the argument that if more people carried
guns, they would deter shooters or interrupt them. Mass shooters typically
kill themselves or are promptly caught, so it's hard to see what deterrence
would be added by having more people pack heat. There have been few if any
cases in the United States in which an ordinary citizen with a gun stopped a
mass shooting.</DIV>
<DIV>The tragedy isn't one school shooting, it's the unceasing toll across our
country. More Americans die in gun homicides and suicides in six months than
have died in the last 25 years in every terrorist attack and the <A
href="http://icasualties.org/" target=_blank>wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
combined</A>.</DIV>
<DIV>So what can we do? A starting point would be to limit gun purchases to
one a month, to curb gun traffickers. Likewise, we should restrict the sale of
high-capacity magazines so that a shooter can't kill as many people without
reloading.</DIV>
<DIV>We should impose a universal background check for gun buyers, even with
private sales. Let's make serial numbers more difficult to erase, and <A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/us/code-on-shell-casings-sparks-a-gun-debate.html?pagewanted=all"
target=_blank>back California</A> in its effort to require that new handguns
imprint a microstamp on each shell so that it can be traced back to a
particular gun.</DIV>
<DIV>"We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years,"
President Obama noted in a tearful statement on television. He's right, but
the solution isn't just to mourn the victims - it's to change our policies.
Let's see leadership on this issue, not just moving speeches.</DIV>
<DIV>Other countries offer a road map. In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of
35 people galvanized the nation's <A
href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-but-the-us-needs-to-get-rid-of-its-guns-20120731-23ct7.html"
target=_blank>conservative prime minister</A> to ban certain rapid-fire long
guns. The "national firearms agreement," as it was known, led to the buyback
of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those
remaining in public hands.</DIV>
<DIV>The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of
firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to
be used in mass shootings.</DIV>
<DIV>In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings -
but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate
with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled
by the <A
href="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/files/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf"
target=_blank>Harvard Injury Control Research Center</A>, and the suicide rate
with firearms has dropped by more than half.</DIV>
<DIV>Or we can look north to <A
href="http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/moving-emmenager-eng.htm"
target=_blank>Canada</A>. It now requires a 28-day waiting period to buy a
handgun, and it imposes a clever safeguard: gun buyers should have the support
of two people vouching for them.</DIV>
<DIV>For that matter, we can look for inspiration at our own history on auto
safety. As with guns, some auto deaths are caused by people who break laws or
behave irresponsibly. But we don't shrug and say, "Cars don't kill people,
drunks do."</DIV>
<DIV>Instead, we have required seat belts, air bags, child seats and crash
safety standards. We have introduced limited licenses for young drivers and
tried to curb the use of mobile phones while driving. All this has <A
href="http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811346.pdf" target=_blank>reduced
America's traffic fatality rate</A> per mile driven by nearly 90 percent since
the 1950s.</DIV>
<DIV>Some of you are alive today because of those auto safety regulations. And
if we don't treat guns in the same serious way, some of you and some of your
children will die because of our failure.</DIV>
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<DIV>I invite you to comment on this column on my blog, <A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/ontheground" target=_blank>On the Ground</A>.
Please also join me on <A href="http://www.facebook.com/kristof"
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and follow me on <A href="http://twitter.com/nickkristof"
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