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<div dir="ltr">w - I was merely trying to make sense out of Tom's interpretations (or misinterpretations) of Doug's comment about Thomas Sowell's comment. They are all disjointed.<br><br>FWIW - here's my scorecard:<br>#1 Sowell is trying to make some point about greedy hypocrisy - point not taken by me with or even without consideration to follow on comments #2, #3, #4 below.<br>#2 Doug states that Sowell being a black man probably is unaware that his sentiment is racist - this makes zero sense to me. Would it not be racist if a white man had this same sentiment?<br>#3 Tom sites Mathew 19:21 where Jesus tells some greedy guy to give his bird-in-hand to the poor for many birds-in-Heaven - this is orthogonal #1 & #2.<br>#4 Tom then says it's a simple matter of 'one hand washing the other' - this is orthogonal to #1, #2, and #3.<br><br>Your comment about camel through the eye of a needle is in line with #3 which at least is consistence with something.<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:17:13 -0500<br>From: art.deco.studios@gmail.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: In other words . . .<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_extra">Scott writes in part:<br><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"> "b) Wayne's suggestion - Put this in context of Mathew 19:24 'And again
I say unto you,it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a
needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God'<br> c) Scott's
viewpoint - 'Jesus seems to be saying that in order to be perfect you
need to become destitute by giving away all of your worldly possessions
to the poor which will result in them in temporarily not being destitute
/ perfect.' <b>I'm guessing there's more to this particular story that
probably puts everything into a much more logical context.</b></span><b>"</b><br><br>If there is more Scott, please enlighten us by citing where we can find it. <br><br>The issue raised here is about the relative importance of acquiring wealth versus earning salvation is very clearly focused in the the passage, and others from Matthew, the first of the Synoptic Gospels, and of which there is very wide agreement among biblical scholars that Matthew reflects the most accurate rendition of the [alleged] words of Jesus. To understand the further context of this statement, it should be read in conjunction with Matt 25: 31 - 46 (see below).<br>
<br>Attempts to discredit these words by the wealthy and certain Christian sects have taken several forms:<br><br>The words are a mistranslation.<br>Jesus never uttered them.<br>They are not to be taken literally.<br><br>
Etc.<br><br>A few months ago a group of conservative pundits and their wealthy backers suggested that the bible be rewritten to edit/remove that passage and many others from both Testaments that have/could be interpreted to be opposed to the accumulation of wealth or seem tobe supportive of anything that smacks of socialism.<br>
<br>As a nonbeliever that Jesus uttered something carries no more weight than anyone else. Statements are knowledge claims that need to be evaluated on the basis of current knowledge and frequently call for further investigation. It is not clear what kind of investigation relying on empirical evidence would provide a hint of the truth of the passage at issue.<br>
<br>[Matt 25: 31- 46]:<br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><span class="ecx">31</span> ‘When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
<sup class="ecx">32</sup>All the nations will be gathered before him, and
he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the
sheep from the goats,
<sup class="ecx">33</sup>and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. <br></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><sup class="ecx"><br></sup></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><sup class="ecx">34</sup>Then the king will say to those at his right
hand, “Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
<sup class="ecx">35</sup>for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
<sup class="ecx">36</sup>I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.”
<sup class="ecx">37</sup>Then the righteous will answer him, “Lord, when
was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you
something to drink?
<sup class="ecx">38</sup>And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing?
<sup class="ecx">39</sup>And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?”</span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">
<sup class="ecx">40</sup>And the king will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family,<a target="_blank"><sup class="ecx">*</sup></a> you did it to me.” <br></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><sup class="ecx">41</sup>Then he will say to those at his left hand, “You
that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for
the devil and his angels;
<sup class="ecx">42</sup>for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
<sup class="ecx">43</sup>I was a stranger and you did not welcome me,
naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did
not visit me.”
<sup class="ecx">44</sup>Then they also will answer, “Lord, when was it
that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in
prison, and did not take care of you?” <br></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><sup class="ecx"><br></sup></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><sup class="ecx">45</sup>Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.”
<sup class="ecx">46</sup>And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.’ <br class="ecx"></span><br>
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<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br><a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br><br><img src="http://users.moscow.com/waf/WP%20Fox%2001.jpg"><br>
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