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You definitely give me lots to think about Sunil. I hate to admit this, but for the past couple of weeks you're the only one who's been giving me pause about who to not vote for in the upcoming election. :) I'm likely to be undecided right up until I go into the voting booth near the time that the polls are getting ready to close and the election has already been decided. It sorta sucks living in a non-swing state come election time.<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:44:11 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br><br>
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Why will we bomb, torture, and kill? Or are we just down to bombing and killing? We're probably just back to outsourcing torture again, right? Or do you think we aren't doing any of those things? Or somehow something productive happens when we do it?<br><br><div><div id="ecxSkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:39:22 -0600<br><br>
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I haven't seen the video and I don't plan to. I'm guessing that many more videos like it will start flooding the internet. I think even the terrorist will at some point stop finding them 'OFFENSIVE' because how many times can you be 'shocked' before you just become immune to all of it? Aside from that, they'll still bomb, torture, and kill because that's the nature of terrorists and hopefully we have fewer and fewer of them as the world progresses.<br><br><div><div id="ecxSkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:24:03 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br><br>
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Considering that the government is now admitting that the attack in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, I've been amazed that all day all of you have continued to argue that the video was responsible for the attack and those killings.<br><br>Do all of you really believe that the video, standing alone, is the reason for the demonstrations? Yes, certainly it's a big part of it. But you don't think that bombing the shit out of Muslim civilians has nothing to do with it? Is it possible that our victims are, oh, somewhat perturbed by being killed regularly by us?<br><br>No, that can't be it. Douthat tells us that. The Daily News ed board tells us that. No, it's the silly Muslims. They just act nutty.<br><br>Yes, the video does really piss them off. But it's just the match. We've been pouring gasoline all over the place, and this may have set it off, but it is not the only reason for it.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="ecxSkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:18:19 -0700<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: thansen@moscow.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br><br><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">What point are you trying to make? That the filmmakers were attempting to kill those four individuals via murder-by-extremists? That's about as whacko as blaming a comedian for somebody choking to death because they were eating when they laughed at one of his jokes. It seems that everyone is frantically trying to lay the blame anywhere but at the feet of the extremists that let some stupid YouTube trailer whip them into a killing frenzy. I'm confused as to why that is.<br><br>Paul<br><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen
<thansen@moscow.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com>; viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:01 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="ecxyiv982656876"><div><div>Inciting to riot . . . resulting in the deaths of four Americans . . . instigated by a video manufactured and released . . . right here in the Nifty Fifty?</div><div><br></div><div>Hmmm.</div><div><br></div><div>'Nuff said.<br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .<div><br></div><div>"Moscow Cares"</div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."</div><div><br></div><div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div><div> </div></div></div><div><br>On Sep 25, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Not to mention the fact that the Libyans that did this didn't attack the film producer, Google executives, actors in the movie, or the guy that uploaded it to YouTube. No, they decided that justice would
be served best by killing the ambassador of the country that the person happened to live in when he put together the film and uploaded the trailer for it. To stretch your analogy a bit, it would be like being blamed for walking into a bar in L.A., insulting people that live in Niger, and having some innocent person half-way around the world get killed for it. While at the same time arguing about what a tragedy it is to say such things in bars in L.A.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Scott Dredge <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> viz <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="ecxyiv982656876">
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It's a poor comparison since there are two completely different jurisdictions where the violence would have occurred (Los Angeles, CA, USA vs Libya). It's further a poor comparison because one is 'in your face' and one is youtube video. It's nonsensical to think that you can try and hide behind First Amendment rights for damage / injury that result from your direct provocation and there would be witnesses who could take the stand against you in criminal / civil trials.<br><br><div><div id="ecxyiv982656876SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="ecxyiv982656876stopSpelling">CC: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>From: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!<br>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:35:38 -0700<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br><br><div><span style="">Which law(s) do(es) my suggested activity violate that the showing of "Innocence of Muslims" doesn't?</span><br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .<div><br></div><div>"Moscow
Cares"</div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a></div><div> </div><div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."</div><div><br></div><div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div><div> </div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Scott Dredge <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>
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<div dir="ltr">> Tom Hansen wrote:<br>> 'The first amendment legally permits me to go into the Backdoor (a bar in south<br>> central Los Angeles) and say, "Fu*k you, nig*r!"<br><br>The first amendment does not permit you to do this. Where do you get the idea that it does?<br></div>
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