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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nope, sorry – that is a bridge too far for me to keep my mouth shut.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is it genocide, Donovan, that 75% of trisomy 21 pregnancies terminate <b>naturally</b> prior to birth?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And is it genocide, Donovan, that 20-30% of babies born with DS die <b>naturally</b> during the first year of life? In the US, about 6000 DS babies are born each year, and somewhere between 1200-1800 of those babies die during their first year of life, sometimes with a lot of suffering prior to death.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One could describe trisomy 21 pregnancies that don’t self-abort prior to birth as aberrations of nature. Given that nature terminates the vast majority of trisomy 21 pregnancies in utero, and nature kills 20-30% of those born with DS during the first year of life, it’s hyperbole for you to characterize voluntary terminations as “genocide.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for your touching story about the young woman with DS you helped live independently, I have those stories, too . . . quite a few of them. But, I also have stories about caring for DS children & adults who would <b>never</b> be able to live independently and who had – at best – very poor qualities of lives that were heartbreakingly tragic in many, many ways.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What I learned is that it’s <b>not my business</b> to think I know better than the individual women choosing to continue or terminate any pregnancy, and I’m stunned you don’t understand that. You’re worried about women being forced to have abortions, and it’s damn disappointing you don’t care just as much about forcing women to continue pregnancies they’ve decided aren’t best to be continued.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And, you are dead wrong about your characterization of pro-choice women. What the majority of us believe is that the pregnant woman, in consultation with her health care professional, who have the right to determine whether to continue a pregnancy or terminate it, not the government or anyone else. That is <b>not at all</b> the same thing as being more likely to terminate a pregnancy, and shame on you for perpetuating that phony stereotype.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And, as a matter of fact, I know quite a few “pro-life” women who have had abortions due to their individual situations who remain “pro-life.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also know a whole lot of “pro-life” women & men who support capital punishment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A more correct characterization of those you refer to as “pro-life” is actually “anti-reproductive freedom for women & gung-ho for killing the already born.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Oh, and Scott – that 1999 (based on data from the 1980s) article Dale so loved actually may not have been so accurate, but that’s no surprise as I never knew Dale to let facts get in his way. For those interested, you might want to check out this article:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pd.2910/full">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pd.2910/full</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Another good read is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/04/why-so-many-babies-are-still-being-born-with-down-syndrome/254869/">http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/04/why-so-many-babies-are-still-being-born-with-down-syndrome/254869/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> Scott Dredge; viz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Sounds like genocide of people with <span class=mark>Down's</span> Syndrome. How sad. I use to help a young woman with <span class=mark>Down's</span> live independently. She was a sweet kind angel with not a evil cell in her. How people can destroy such angels from heaven is beyond me. I worry they abort babies they think will be gay, or because of their race, or gender. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>As to your theory, Scott. I think that a pro-life woman is more like to have a baby with <span class=mark>Down's</span> because a pro-choice woman would be far more likely to abort it. Older women are also statistically more likely to have a baby with <span class=mark>Down's</span> and older women are statistically more likely to be pro-life as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Donovan J. Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 27, 2012 10:25 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] The one argument I can make in favor of being 'pro-life'</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv730716377><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I loved the stats Dale posted on his site. For instance, he had polling data that showed with some kooky accounting that 'The majority of Americans are pro-life'. Shortly thereafter, he had a post titled 'Search and Destroy' which showed that 92% of <span class=mark>Down's</span> Syndrome pregnancies are aborted. So let's say that both of these statistics are roughly accurate, but for crunching numbers more quickly let's say:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'>50% of American women are pro-life and the other 50% are pro-choice<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'>90% of <span class=mark>Down's</span> Syndrome pregnancies are aborted (assume all these abortions are by self described 'pro-choice' women)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white'>10% of <span class=mark>Down's</span> Syndrome pregnancies are carried to term (assume all these births are by hard core pro-life women who are also NOT pro-choice for other women)<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br>Clearly these numbers show that that by being 'pro-life', a woman SIGNIFICANTLY reduces her risk of having a <span class=mark>Down's</span> Syndrome pregnancy. I welcome any / all comments to blow holes in my theory.<br><br><br><br>-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the <span class=mark>Palouse</span> since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a><br> <span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>