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<DIV>Well I don’t argue that’s a major consideration; but even Todd Aiken
didn’t go quite so far as to say pregnancy is based on a woman’s desire for
one, and until then it should remain with the woman to determine what is
BEST for her. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 27, 2012 7:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women
Accelerates</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Sue,</SPAN></DIV>
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style="RIGHT: auto">I don't think the trouble is the lack of a thought process
of women that have abortions, it is lack of <SPAN
id=misspell-0><SPAN>opportunities</SPAN></SPAN> for women. If an abortion is the
BEST option for a woman, society isn't giving her many <SPAN
id=misspell-1><SPAN>options</SPAN></SPAN>. <VAR
id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Sue Hovey
<suehovey@moscow.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Moscow Vision2020
<vision2020@moscow.com> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2012 7:05
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020]
The GOP War On Women Accelerates<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan, you don’t have to defer to anyone. Just explain to
me...if I am in a dilemma about anything; how can the absence of ALL options
make it a false one. If one has to consider a range of all options, and
include every option in that consideration, then I believe few human dilemmas
will not be false. Additionally, it is really important to understand that
women who choose abortions have already considered the ramifications of carrying
the fetus to term and the decision to have an abortion is not made absent of
those other considerations. Rarely are those decisions made lightly.
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<DIV>Sue H </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 27, 2012 1:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women
Accelerates</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Sue,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Flo
Kennedy was no doubt a wise woman. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
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don't think it is the answers to the question that is the problem with Scott
Dredge's argument as the false premises used in the question that make it a
false dilemma. I would defer to Prof. Campbell on a better <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-0><SPAN>explanation</SPAN></SPAN> for false dilemma.
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J. Arnold<VAR id=yiv1511009497yui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN></DIV>
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Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Scott Dredge
<scooterd408@hotmail.com>; debismith@moscow.com; ngier006@gmail.com;
lfalen@turbonet.com <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> viz
<vision2020@moscow.com> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:56
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020]
The GOP War On Women Accelerates<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, Donovan. It was Flo Kennedy who stated, “If men could get
pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” </DIV>
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<DIV>If the absence of all options in all situations makes an item a false
dilemma, then help me understand how any significant multifaceted dilemma would
not be false. Just an example. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> ; <A
title=debismith@moscow.com href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">debismith@moscow.com</A> ;
<A title=ngier006@gmail.com href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A> ; <A
title=lfalen@turbonet.com href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women
Accelerates</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>It
is still a false <SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-0><SPAN>dilemma</SPAN></SPAN>
unless it includes all options in all situations.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>To
me, abortion is really about a person being able to do with their body what they
want free from outside <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-0><SPAN>interference</SPAN></SPAN>, not just the
government, but husbands, boyfriends, parents, employers, their financial
situation, etc. I think they have that right to do whatever they want so far as
it doesn't more greatly impact another person's freedom and rights. However, at
some point, that fetus is a baby, a human, and has rights too. To ignore that
fact is ignorant. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>So
it is a complex issue. I simply do not agree with the stance that the moment a
sperm hits an egg it is a person. This is a belief, not a fact, and I <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-1><SPAN>don't</SPAN></SPAN> think it has any basis in
law or science, nor should be an opinion forced on all people to accept. But at
some point a <SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-2><SPAN>fertilized</SPAN></SPAN> egg
may develop in a baby, and at that point it has rights too and those rights need
and deserve attention.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>I
am also very concerned about women being forced to have abortions. This isn't
often talked about but I think many women have abortions because of pressures
and circumstances they are not given the ability to legally deal
with.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>The
governments role and focus should be to reduce abortions through the
prevention<VAR id=yiv1511009497yui-ie-cursor></VAR> of unwanted pregnancies and
the expansion of women rights so they have <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-0><SPAN>opportunities</SPAN></SPAN> to have and raise a
baby without getting a social demotion while doing so. </SPAN></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>If fat, old, balding, conservative white rich men could get pregnant
abortion would be free, legal, and a tax credit. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Donovan
J. Arnold</SPAN></DIV>
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Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com;
debismith@moscow.com; ngier006@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> viz <vision2020@moscow.com>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 24, 2012
11:01 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto" dir=ltr>OK - I'll keep expanding the line of
questioning if you think I'm being too restrictive on your response
choices.<BR><BR>'Do you believe that the government has the right to force a
woman to carry her pregnancy to term against her will?'<BR><BR>1) Yes<BR>2)
No<BR>3) Maybe - in cases of [insert scenario(s) of when government should
intervene, method(s) of intervention, punishment to the woman for terminating
her unwanted pregnancy, punishment to the doctor for terminating the woman's
pregnancy at her behest]<BR><BR>'Do you believe that the government has the
right to force you to carry a pregnancy to term against your will?'<BR><BR>1)
Yes<BR>2) No<BR>3) Maybe- in cases of [insert scenario(s) of when government
should intervene, method(s) of intervention, punishment to you for terminating
your unwanted pregnancy, punishment to your doctor for terminating your
pregnancy at your behest]<BR>3) Not Applicable<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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class=yiv1511009497hr></DIV>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:15:50 -0700<BR>From:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women
Accelerates<BR>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com; debismith@moscow.com;
ngier006@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I think your question is a false dilemma. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Donovan J. Arnold</SPAN></DIV>
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Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com;
debismith@moscow.com; ngier006@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> viz <vision2020@moscow.com>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 24, 2012
9:19 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
[Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto" dir=ltr>Donovan,<BR><BR>I think the answer is a simple
one if the question is properly asked: 'Do you believe that the government has
the right to force you to carry a pregnancy to term against your
will?'<BR><BR>1) Yes<BR>2) No<BR>3) Not Applicable<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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class=yiv1511009497hr></DIV>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:26:11 -0700<BR>From:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women
Accelerates<BR>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com; debismith@moscow.com;
ngier006@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>I
agree with what you say here with the exception of abortion. This is an instance
where I do see someone that honestly believes babies are being killed wanting a
legal end to it. I don't disagree that killing babies is wrong, or horrific, I
just disagree that a fertilized egg is a baby. So to me, ending the life an egg
and sperm is not murder, only the slaughter of a being with a formed,
functioning human brain can be murder in my opinion.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>If
<SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxmisspell-0><SPAN>infanticide</SPAN></SPAN>
was legal in this country, I would wish the law to be changed and strictly
enforced to keep innocent babies and infants alive. And since many people do see
abortion as infanticide, I agree with them to that end even if it imposed a
restriction on the freedoms of others because murder is the greatest restriction
of liberty there is. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>On other issues, of freedom, such as religion, marriage, how to live
your life, you are <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxmisspell-1><SPAN>absolutely</SPAN></SPAN>
right about their demands to incorporate their religion on all people with the
force of law, they are wrong, and it is anti-<SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxmisspell-2><SPAN>American</SPAN></SPAN>, and
anti-Christian. America is about being free. Christianity is about being free to
choose and accept Christ, not about forcing <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-0
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-1
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-2
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-5
class=mark>Judeo</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>-Christian laws on people. This
often just drives people away from liking the United States and Christianity.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Donovan J. Arnold</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Scott Dredge
<scooterd408@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> debismith@moscow.com;
ngier006@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> viz <vision2020@moscow.com>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, August 23,
2012 8:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto" dir=ltr>The religious right have controlling
personalities. They not only want to preach about how people 'should live
their personal lives according to God's wisdom', but they also want to force you
to live that way by physically restricting your access to birth control, to
emergency contraception, to abortion. I haven't checked Doug Wilson's blog
lately, but I'm guessing he's thrilled that such 'men' like Paul Ryan and Todd
Akin are fighting tooth and nail to enshrine God's law into the law of the
land.<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230hr></DIV>From: debismith@moscow.com<BR>To:
ngier006@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:29:11
-0500<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On
Women Accelerates<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks, Nick. Cogent, as usual....too bad the
religious right can put their hands over their eyes and ignore
it....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ngier006@gmail.com href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">Nicholas <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-1 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-2 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-3 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-6
class=mark>Gier</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lfalen@turbonet.com
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-4
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-7
class=mark>lfalen</SPAN></SPAN></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On
Women Accelerates</DIV>
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<H2 style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR: #1d1d1d; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><A
title="How the Body Reacts to Sexual Assault "
href="http://www.thenation.com/blog/169474/how-body-reacts-sexual-assault"
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: black">How the Body Reacts to
Sexual Assault</SPAN></A></SPAN></H2>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxMsoNormal><B><I><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR: #526a83; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A
href="http://www.thenation.com/authors/dana-goldstein" rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: #496a8b">Dana <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-3 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-4 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-5 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-8
class=mark>Goldstein</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></A><SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></I></B><SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxtimestamp><B><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif; COLOR: rgb(178,178,178); FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><I>on
August 20, 2012 </I>The Nation</SPAN></B></SPAN><B><I><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 'serif'; COLOR: #526a83; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></I></B></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">Embattled US Senate candidate Todd Akin
claimed yesterday that “legitimate rape” somehow turns off the female body’s
reproductive capabilities. As I<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2012/08/what-you-need-to-know-about-rape-related-pregnancy.html"
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: #496a8b">demonstrate
below</SPAN></A>, that is absurd. But it is important to note that<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><I>Akin’s
ideology is part of a broader set of misconceptions about how the body reacts
to sexual assault.</I></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">There’s<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h-word/2012/aug/20/legitimate-rape-medieval-medical-concept"
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: #496a8b">nothing
new</SPAN></A><SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN>about
the idea that vaginal lubrication, orgasm and pregnancy can occur only after a
wanted sexual encounter. None of this is true. A<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/23150432/Sexual-Arousal-and-Orgasm-in-Subjects-Who-Experience-Forced-Stimulation"
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: #496a8b">2004
paper</SPAN></A><SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN>from
the<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><I>Journal
of Clinical Forensic Medicine</I>addresses some of these misconceptions. The
authors, Roy Levin and Willy van <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-4
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-5
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-6
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-9
class=mark>Berlo</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, considered reports from doctors,
nurses and therapists who work with rape survivors. Many of the clinicians had
experienced distraught victims’ asking why they felt lubrication or even
orgasm during rape.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">One British nurse-therapist reported the
following:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">“Approximately 1 in 20 women who come to
the clinic for treatment because of sexual abuse report that they have had an
orgasm from previous unsolicited sexual arousal. It is not detailed in the
[professional] literature because the victims usually do not want to tell/talk
about it because they feel guilty, as people will think that if it happened
they must have enjoyed it. The victims often say, ‘My body let me down.’ Some,
however, cannot summon the courage to say even that.”</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">Heartbreaking. Levin and van <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-5 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-6 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-7 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-10
class=mark>Berlo</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> found that victims report
evidence of physical arousal in as many as 21 percent of rape cases, even when
they also report violence and high levels of fear and mental distress. Why?
The researchers note that many rapes are <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-6
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-7
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-8
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-11
class=mark>comitted</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> by acquaintances or romantic
partners of the victims; initial familiarity or even attraction might be
supplanted by terror as an encounter becomes coercive. This is relevant, I
think, to the<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/12/the_perils_of_charging_rape.html"
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: #496a8b">charges against Julian
<SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-7 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-8 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-9 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-12
class=mark>Assange</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></A>, who is accused of
sexual assault for refusing to wear a condom with female partners who had
earlier consented to sex. If that <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-8
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-9
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-10
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-13
class=mark>occured</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, it is still rape: physical
force was used to violate the initial, consensual terms of the
encounter.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">Then there is the simple fact, obvious to
most women, that the vagina can become lubricated during sex as a defense
mechanism against tearing and pain, regardless of one’s level of enthusiasm or
emotional buy-in.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">And it <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-9
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-10
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-11
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-14
class=mark>isn</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>’t just women who can experience
these confusing sensations. In men, Levin and van <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-10 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-11 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-12 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-15
class=mark>Berlo</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> actually found some links between
“anxiety-inducing threats” and increased blood flood flow to the
penis.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">All of this is really hard to write and
talk about it, because it exists in the murky area between what we desire and
what we fear.</SPAN></I><SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">Yes, force can provoke arousal, but that
<SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-11 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-12 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-13 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-16
class=mark>doesn</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>’t condone the<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><I>non-consensual</I>use
of force. The authors conclude:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">“A <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-12
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-13
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-14
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-17
class=mark>perpertrator</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>’s <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-13 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-14 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-15 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-18
class=mark>defence</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> against the alleged assault
built solely on the evidence that genital arousal or orgasm in the victim
proves consent has no intrinsic validity and should be
disregarded.”</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: georgia, serif">One of the many problems with
Romney/Ryan-like rape exceptions to broad abortion bans is that they encourage
anti-<SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-14 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-15 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-16 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-19
class=mark>choicers</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> to draw a thousand<SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/?mobile=nc"
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="COLOR: #496a8b">false
distinctions</SPAN></A><SPAN
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxapple-converted-space> </SPAN>between
worthy and less worthy rape victims, which is what Akin was really attempting
to do. What he cares about is saving as many fetuses as possible, regardless
of what calamity befell the women forced to bear them. For example, if you
were raped by an ex-husband or ex-boyfriend, is your fetus as unwanted as that
of a woman raped by a stranger? If you were raped by a man with whom you were
drinking, do you deserve that free pass abortion? Non-consensual sex is
non-consensual sex. It exerts unwanted control over a woman’s body—as does
forced pregnancy.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxgmail_quote>On Wed, Aug
22, 2012 at 5:53 PM, <SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-17
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-20 class=mark>lfalen</SPAN></SPAN>
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; RIGHT: auto"
class=yiv1511009497ecxyiv1788997230ecxyiv1572640160ecxgmail_quote>Nick<BR>Most
social issues are not hot button items for me. I am more interested in
economic issues. In general though, I favor more freedom for the individual
and less interference by the government. I am nether strongly pro-choice or
pro-life, but tend to be closer to the pro-life position. Abortion should
not be used as a form of birth control. In extremely rare <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-16 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-17 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-18 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-21
class=mark>surrmonstances</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> such as the life of
the mother, her life should dominate. I think that some of the
positions of some democrats such as partial term abortions and
allowing a baby that survived <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-17
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-18
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-19
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-22
class=mark>aan</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> attempted abortion is much more
extreme. Fortunately that is a minority opinion even for democrats.<BR><BR>I
am not aware of the legislation you mentioned, but I doubt that there is any
such thing as justifiable rape.<BR>Roger<BR>-----Original
message-----<BR>From: Nicholas <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-18
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-19
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-20
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-23
class=mark>Gier</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> <A
href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A><BR>Date: Wed, 22
Aug 2012 10:26:45 -0700<BR>To: <SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-21
class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-24 class=mark>lfalen</SPAN></SPAN>
<A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates<BR><BR>> Hi
Roger,<BR>><BR>> Where do you stand on the extreme, no exceptions GOP
plank on abortion? As<BR>> a local GOP leader you should tell us
what you believe.<BR>><BR>> And do you support Ryan after he teamed up
with Akin in proposing a bill<BR>> with "justifiable rape" in it, which
is what Akin said he meant when he<BR>> said "legitimate rape."
Fortunately the language was rejected. Ryan and<BR>> Akin are two
peas in a pod with regard to social issues.<BR>><BR>> Inquiring mind
wish to know.<BR>><BR>> Nick<BR>><BR>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at
10:12 AM, <SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-22 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=misspell-25 class=mark>lfalen</SPAN></SPAN> <<A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > The Republicans want him to drop out. His
opponent wants him to stay in.<BR>> > Apparently both sides think he
will be easy to beat. The rumor has it that<BR>> > <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-21 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-22 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-23 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=misspell-26
class=mark>Mccaskill's</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> backers funneled a lot of
money into his campaign in the<BR>> > primary.<BR>> >
Roger<BR>> > -----Original message-----<BR>> > From: Art Deco <A
href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</A><BR>>
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:11:15 -0700<BR>> > To: <A
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> > Akin Controversy Stirs Up Abortion Issue in Campaign By
JENNIFER<BR>> > > <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-32
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> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > WASHINGTON — As an orator,
Representative Todd<BR>> > > Akin<ttp://<BR>> > <A
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> >of<BR>> > > Missouri may stand out for his clumsiness. But
as a legislator, Mr.<BR>> > > Akin<BR>> > > has a record
on abortion that is largely indistinguishable from those of<BR>> >
> most of his Republican House colleagues, who have viewed
restricting<BR>> > > abortion rights as one of their top
priorities.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > That agenda — largely
eclipsed for two years by a protracted fiscal<BR>> > crisis<BR>>
> > and the fight over how to manage the federal deficit — has wedged
its<BR>> > way,<BR>> > > for now at least, to the center of
the 2012 campaign. It is focusing<BR>> > > attention on an issue
that helped earn Mitt<BR>> > > Romney<<BR>> > <A
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> >,<BR>> > > the presumptive Republican presidential
nominee, a reputation as a<BR>> > > flip-flopper, threatening the
Republican quest for control of the Senate,<BR>> > > and leaving
Representative Paul D.<BR>> > > Ryan<<BR>> > <A
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> > Wisconsin, Mr. Romney’s vice-presidential pick, in the
uncomfortable<BR>> > > position of distinguishing himself from Mr.
Akin, with whom he has often<BR>> > > concurred.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > It is an agenda that has enjoyed the support of House
leaders, including<BR>> > > Speaker John A. <SPAN
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class=mark>Boehner</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> and Representative Eric
Cantor, the majority<BR>> > > leader, who has called anti-abortion
measures “obviously very important<BR>> > in<BR>> > > terms
of the priorities we set out initially in our pledge to America.”<BR>>
> It<BR>> > > became inextricably linked to the near-shutdown of
the federal government<BR>> > > last year when an agreement to keep
the government open was reached only<BR>> > > after it was linked
to a measure restricting abortion in the District of<BR>> > >
Columbia.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Even as Congressional
Republicans, including Mr. <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-34
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class=mark>Boehner</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, denounced Mr.<BR>> >
> Akin’s remark that victims of “legitimate rape” were able to
somehow<BR>> > > prevent pregnancy, an agenda to roll back abortion
is one that House<BR>> > > Republicans have largely moved in step
with.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > In an anti-abortion measure once
sponsored by Mr. Akin, Mr. Ryan and<BR>> > scores<BR>> > > of
other Republican lawmakers, an exemption was made for victims of<BR>>
> > “forcible” rape, though that word was later removed.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > *On Tuesday, Republicans approved platform language
for next week’s<BR>> > > nominating convention that calls for a
constitutional amendment outlawing<BR>> > > abortion with no
explicit exceptions for cases of rape or incest. That<BR>> > is
a<BR>> > > view more restrictive than Mr. Romney’s, who has said
that he supports<BR>> > > exceptions to allow abortions in cases of
rape. *<BR>> > ><BR>> > > * *Mr. Ryan’s more conservative
views, which have been reflected in votes<BR>> > > that would
restrict family planning financing overseas, cut off all<BR>> >
federal<BR>> > > funds to Planned Parenthood and repeal President
Obama’s health care<BR>> > > law<<BR>> > <A
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> >,<BR>> > > have come into sharp relief as Mr. Akin
struggles for his political life.<BR>> > > Mr. Akin and Mr. Ryan
each have voted in this Congress for 10<BR>> > >
abortion-restricting measures as well as those that limited other
family<BR>> > > planning services.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Both Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney have earned praise for their positions
from<BR>> > > the National Right to Life group and other
anti-abortion organizations.<BR>> > > “The right-to-life
Romney/Ryan ticket is now complete,” wrote Barbara<BR>> >
Lyons<BR>> > > and Sue <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-35
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class=mark>Armacost</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, executive director and
legislative director for<BR>> > Wisconsin<BR>> > > Right to
Life, on the organization’s Web site.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > It
is a legislative theme Democrats plan to highlight, even as House<BR>>
> > Republicans try to keep the focus on economic issues.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > “All you need to know is that the House Republicans
were willing to shut<BR>> > > down the government rather than fund
Planned Parenthood,” said<BR>> > > Representative Nancy <SPAN
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class=mark>Pelosi</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, the House Democratic leader,
in an e-mail on<BR>> > > Tuesday. “This is in keeping with their
efforts — whether it’s<BR>> > Congressman<BR>> > > Akin or
Chairman Ryan or others — to deny investments in critical women’s<BR>>
> > health services, weaken the definition of rape, and take away
access to<BR>> > > preventive care like cervical and breast cancer
screenings.”<BR>> > ><BR>> > > The House Republican agenda
has troubled the half-dozen or so Republican<BR>> > > House members
whose views differ from those of their colleagues.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > “I have time and again spoken out against this to leadership,”
said<BR>> > > Representative Robert <SPAN
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class=mark>Dold</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> of Illinois, who is in a tough
re-election<BR>> > > battle. “I’<SPAN
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tried to talk to them about the issues that we ought to be<BR>> > >
moving forward on, like out-of-control spending.”<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Mr. <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-39
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class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN id=yiv1511009497misspell-41
class=yiv1511009497mark>Dold</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> has voted in favor of half
of the abortion restriction measures<BR>> > in<BR>> > > this
Congress, far fewer than most of his colleagues. “There is no<BR>> >
question<BR>> > > that there are times when I may disagree with a
vote that’s brought to<BR>> > the<BR>> > > floor,” he said in
an interview, “and the majority of my Republican<BR>> > >
colleagues, but that is just part of what we deal with every day.”<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > There have long been lawmakers, like Mr. Akin,
whose main legislative<BR>> > > agenda centers on the abortion
issue. They got a boost after the 2010<BR>> > > election when a
large group of conservative members joined them.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Mr. Romney’s views align with that of the Mormon Church, which
opposes<BR>> > > abortion except in cases of rape and incest or
when the life of the woman<BR>> > > is in danger. He has said he is
personally opposed to abortion; as a<BR>> > Mormon<BR>> > >
bishop in the 1980s he attempted to talk a congregant out of
terminating<BR>> > a<BR>> > > pregnancy after doctors advised
her to do so because of a potentially<BR>> > > lethal blood
clot.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > But abortion has proved to be a
politically volatile topic for Mr.<BR>> > Romney,<BR>> > >
whose evolving views have disappointed liberals and stirred distrust<BR>>
> among<BR>> > > conservatives.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> In 1994, when he challenged Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Mr. Romney said
he<BR>> > > would “not force our beliefs on others on that matter.”
In 2002, as a<BR>> > > candidate for governor, he claimed to
support “the substance” of Roe v.<BR>> > > Wade. By 2005, though,
when he was beginning to consider a presidential<BR>> > > run, he
had reversed course and described himself as a “pro-life governor<BR>>
> > in a pro-choice state.” Now, as a presidential candidate, he
refers to<BR>> > > himself as solidly “pro-life.”<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Aides to Mr. Romney declined to say on Tuesday
whether he would call on<BR>> > the<BR>> > > convention
delegates to reconsider their position on abortion.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-40
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class=yiv1511009497mark>Reince</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN
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class=yiv1511009497mark>Priebus</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, the chairman of the
Republican National Committee, tried<BR>> > to<BR>> > >
deflect questions on behalf of Mr. Romney, saying on Fox News that
“this<BR>> > is<BR>> > > the platform of the
Republican<BR>> > > Party<<BR>> > <A
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> >;<BR>> > > it is not the platform of Mitt Romney.”<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > The idea of outlawing any exceptions for
abortion is not new in American<BR>> > > political discourse or in
legislation, nor are proposals to narrow the<BR>> > > definition of
rape to distinguish between what some call “forcible rape”<BR>> > >
and cases involving statutory rape or even some types of date rape.<BR>>
> > Anti-abortion activists have long been concerned that women would
falsely<BR>> > > claim to have been raped to gain an exemption to
terminate a pregnancy.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Historians and
other experts on abortion politics say the no-exceptions<BR>> > >
idea became part of the debate virtually as soon as Roe v. Wade
legalized<BR>> > > abortion in 1973. “It has deep roots,” said
Donald <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-42 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
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class=yiv1511009497mark>Critchlow</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>, a historian<BR>>
> > at Arizona State University who has studied abortion politics. He
added,<BR>> > > “It’s appealing to segments within the Republican
Party to show that<BR>> > you’re<BR>> > > pro-life.”<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > Susan Cohen, director of government affairs for
the <SPAN id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-43 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
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id=yiv1511009497misspell-45
class=yiv1511009497mark>Guttmacher</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR>> >
Institute, a<BR>> > > research group in Washington that supports
abortion rights, said the<BR>> > > no-exceptions idea is “not new
and it’s not fringe.”<BR>> > ><BR>> > > “It is something
that has been part of mainstream anti-abortion<BR>> >
movement,”<BR>> > > she said. “The record is replete with evidence
of the fact that there was<BR>> > > this no-exceptions attitude,
and of course this makes logical sense from<BR>> > > the
perspective of people who believe an embryo should have the same<BR>>
> legal<BR>> > > status as you and I do.”<BR>> >
><BR>> > > In the 1992 election, the Republican Party included
in its platform<BR>> > > language opposing abortion, allowing no
exceptions and calling for a<BR>> > > constitutional amendment to
make abortion illegal. Similar language<BR>> > > opposing any
exceptions was included in 2000 and 2004, even though George<BR>> >
> W. Bush also supported outlawing abortion except in cases of
rape,<BR>> > incest,<BR>> > > or <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-46 class=yiv1511009497mark>whe</SPAN>n the life of
the woman was in danger.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Four years ago,
the Republican Party adopted a platform seeking an<BR>> > >
unconditional ban on abortion, though its nominee, Senator John
McCain,<BR>> > had<BR>> > > urged the party in the past to
allow certain exceptions. After this<BR>> > year’s<BR>> > >
abortion plank language was approved with little debate, the chairman
of<BR>> > > the platform committee, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia,
praised the<BR>> > > committee for “affirming our respect for human
life.”<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Pam <SPAN
id=yiv1511009497ecxmisspell-44 class=yiv1511009497mark><SPAN
id=yiv1511009497misspell-45 class=yiv1511009497mark>Belluck</SPAN></SPAN>
and Michael Cooper contributed reporting from New York.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > --<BR>> > > Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR>>
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