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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/12/2012 02:50 PM, Sunil
Ramalingam wrote:<br>
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I think that possibility is about as slim as Paul's suggestion
that someone with a CCW permit and a weapon may have stopped the
bloodshed at Aurora. <br>
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That wasn't actually a suggestion. It was more along the lines of
"I wonder what I would do if I had a concealed weapon and the Aurora
thing went down". But everybody took it for a call to arms or
something. I still don't know what I would have done. I remember
Robert Heinlein in one of books talking about how it's sometimes
best to go into a dangerous area armed with a knife rather than a
gun. The thinking is that the gun makes you too careless, the knife
makes you far more careful. In the same vein, I've heard it said
that it's safer to use a sharp knife than a dull one. The sharp
knife demands respect lest you cut yourself accidentally, the dull
knife does not. But you can still cut yourself with a dull knife.
Ignoring the politics, what do others think?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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But I've heard the argument made at CCW classes that it's
responsible people who apply for such permits and who actually
carry legally. While I generally agree that most people with
permits are law-abiding, the fact is that there isn't any
fool-proof way to make sure that only people who will use
weapons responsibly will actually receive such permits. <br>
<br>
I say this as someone who supports such permits. But I don't
think that the training you need to get one in any way makes the
average permit holder capable of taking on someone like the guy
in Aurora and stopping him; I think that's just a fantasy.<br>
<br>
Sunil <br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:01:59 -0700<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .<br>
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<div>Very, very possibly . . . </div>
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<div>Since he could not carry his weapon concealed, he may
possibly have been arrested earlir for carrying a concealed
weapon without a permit.<br>
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<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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<div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college students are not very active in
local elections (thank goodness!)."</div>
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<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
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On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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Do you think his not having a concealed handgun permit
would have stopped this tragedy? Honest question, not a
"zinger".<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/12/2012 12:28 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div>Courtesy of the Huffington Post at:</div>
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0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">Another day,
another mass shooting committed by a private
citizen legally allowed to carry a concealed,
loaded handgun in public.</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">This time it
was 40-year-old <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-Seattle-shootings-were-like-an-execution-3599900.php#ixzz1wYVmZm5l"
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:underline;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
136, 195)
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target="_blank">Ian Stawicki</a>, who
entered a Seattle cafe on Wednesday and opened
fire, killing four people. He then left Cafe
Racer, killing another person during a
carjacking before taking his own life.</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">The pro-gun
reaction to this most recent slaughter by a
concealed handgun permit holder? That's life.</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">As pro-gun
advocate Dave Workman, a loyal foot soldier in
the pro-gun publishing and lobbying empire of
convicted felon Alan Gottlieb <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kuow.org/program.php?id=26924"
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:underline;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
136, 195)
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target="_blank">explained</a> to local NPR
affiliate KUOW:</p>
<blockquote
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0, 0);text-indent:0px\00000d\00000a
!important;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-color:rgb(81,
52, 32);border-right-color:rgb(81, 52,
32);border-bottom-color:rgb(81, 52,
32);border-left-color:rgb(81, 52,
32);font:normal normal\00000d\00000a normal
16px/normal Georgia, Century, Times,
serif\00000d\00000a
!important;background-color:rgb(245, 240,
227)\00000d\00000a !important">"I don't know
that there's anything you can do in these
situations. We can't treat him like a child,
he's got his own life to live and he can make
his own mistakes no matter how horrific those
mistakes turn out to be."</blockquote>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">"Those
mistakes" happen all too often. According to
a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm"
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:underline;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
136, 195)
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target="_blank">running tally</a> maintained
by my organization, the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/index.htm"
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:underline;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
136, 195)\00000d\00000a
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target="_blank">Violence Policy Center</a>,
since May 2007, nearly 450 people have been
killed in 334 non-self defense incidents by
private citizens legally allowed to carry
concealed handguns.</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">Not including
this week's attack in Seattle, 20 of those
incidents have been mass shootings of three
victims or more, resulting in the deaths of 89
innocent victims.</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">Listed below,
they run the gamut from family annihilators to
workplace shooters, murder-suicides to
attempted political assassination:</p>
<ul
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:20px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
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<li class="ecxfirst"
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In July
2011, in Texas, Tan Do, 35, opened fire at
his son's 11th birthday party being held at
the Forum Roller World in Grand Prairie,
Texas, killing the boy's mother and four
members of her family before taking his own
life.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In June
2011, in Arizona, Carey H. Dyess, 73, went
on an hours-long shooting rampage in two
communities, killing five before taking his
own life.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In January
2011, in Arizona, Jared Lee Loughner, 22,
opened fire at a "Congress on Your Corner"
constituent event held by Arizona U.S.
Representative Gabrielle Giffords outside a
Tucson Safeway supermarket. Loughner killed
six people, including a federal judge and a
nine-year-old girl, and injured 13,
including Giffords, who was shot once the
face.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In August
2010, in Connecticut, Omar Thornton, 34,
went on a shooting rampage at the beer
distributorship where he worked, killing
eight co-workers before taking his own life.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In June
2010, in Florida, Gerardo Regalado, 38,
committed <a moz-do-not-send="true"
target="_blank">Hialeah, Florida</a>'s
worst mass shooting: killing four women and
wounding three others at the Yoyito
Cafe-Restaurant.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In March
2010, in Tennessee, Michael Joe Hood, 49,
shot and killed his sister Susan Hood
Binkley, 44, her ex-husband Dale Binkley,
42, and their 13-year-old son Jackson
Binkley.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In January
2010, in Virginia, Christopher Speight
allegedly shot and killed eight people
including his sister and her husband, their
15-year-old daughter and four-year-old son,
as well as two teenagers aged 15 and 16.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In
December 2009, in Utah, Justin Matern shot
and killed his wife and two sons, ages six
and four, before turning the gun on himself.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">On
Thanksgiving Day 2009, in Florida, Paul
Michael Merhige allegedly opened fire at his
family's Thanksgiving dinner shooting six
relatives, killing four. The deceased
victims were his twin sisters (one of whom
was pregnant), his 76-year-old aunt, and a
six-year-old cousin. As he left the scene,
Merhige was quoted by one witness as saying,
"I have been waiting 20 years for this."</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In
November 2009, in North Carolina, William
Maxwell shot and killed his wife Kathryn and
their teenage children Conner and Cameron
before killing himself.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In August
2009, in Pennsylvania, George Sodini, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank">48,
opened fire at an LA Fitness Center in
Collier, Pennsylvania</a>, killing three
women and wounding nine others before
turning the gun on himself.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In April
2009, in Pennsylvania, white supremacist
Richard Poplawski shot and killed police
officers Stephen Mayhle, Paul Sciullo, and
Eric Kelly while injuring another.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In March
2009, in Alabama, Michael McLendon, a
self-proclaimed survivalist, killed his
mother at their family home, beginning a
shooting rampage that stretched across 24
miles. By the time McLendon took his own
life in the midst of a police shootout at a
factory where he had previously worked, he
had shot four more relatives, including his
74-year-old grandmother, and five strangers,
including the wife and 18-month-old daughter
of a local sheriff's deputy.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In
February 2009, in New York, Frank Garcia
opened fire with a .40 Glock pistol in the
Lakeside Memorial Hospital parking lot in
Brockport, NY. He had recently been fired by
the hospital. He shot three people there,
killing two, before killing a married couple
at their home in Canandaigua.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In
September 2008, in Michigan, Troy Brake, 31,
shot to death 52-year-old Sharmaine Zimmer,
her sons, Tyler, 17, and Jeremy, 20, and
beat to death Jeremy's girlfriend,
university student Katherine Brown, 18.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In May
2008, in Virginia, Aaron Poseidon Jackson,
24, shot and killed his two children,
one-year-old Aaron Neptune Jackson and
two-year-old Nicole Aaron Jackson, and their
mother Latasha Nicole Thomas, before taking
his own life.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In March
2008, in Georgia, former substitute teacher
Charles Johnston entered Doctors Hospital
in <a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank">Columbus,
Georgia</a>, carrying three handguns: a
.32, a 380, and a 9mm. Johnson allegedly
killed two people in the hospital and a
victim in the parking lot.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In
September 2007, in Florida, Guillermo
Zarabozo and another man hired a charter
boat, later killing the boat's crew of four.
Zarabozo was found guilty of the four
murders.</li>
<li
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In July
2007, in Ohio, firefighter Terrance Hough
Jr. used a 40 caliber pistol to shoot and
kill neighbor Jacob Feichtner as well as
Bruce Anderson and Katherine Rosby as a
result of a dispute over fireworks the three
were setting off on the Fourth of July.
Hough also shot and injured two others.
Hough's fellow firefighters described him as
a "ticking time bomb that finally exploded."</li>
<li class="ecxlast"
style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:inside;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:4px;margin-left:35px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:5px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0, 0);text-indent:0px !important">In May
2007, in Idaho, Jason Kenneth Hamilton, a
member of the white supremacist group Aryan
Nation, shot and killed his wife, a police
officer, and a church sexton, and wounded
three others before turning the gun on
himself in a shooting spree in Moscow,
Idaho. Hamilton had a concealed handgun
permit "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwlawenforcement.pdf"
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:underline;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
136, 195)
!important;text-indent:0px\00000d\00000a
!important;outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial"
target="_blank">despite a [previous]
domestic violence conviction that should
have barred him from owning guns.</a>"</li>
</ul>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">Because most
states don't release detailed information on
crimes committed by concealed handgun permit
holders, the incidents listed above are from
news reports. The actual number of lethal
non-self defense incidents involving private
citizens legally allowed to carry concealed
handguns is most likely far, far higher.</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">And yet,
according to concealed carry advocate Dave
Workman, concealed handgun permit holder and
mass shooter Ian Stawicki had "his own life to
live."</p>
<p
style="list-style-type:none;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:15px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;text-decoration:none;overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;color:rgb(0,
0,
0);text-indent:1.5em;font-size:16px;font-family:Helvetica,
sans-serif\00000d\00000a
!important;text-align:justify">What about his
victims and their families?</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>-----------------------------------</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college students are not very active
in local elections (thank goodness!)."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div><span></span></div>
<blockquote>
<div><span></span><br>
<span>Well, pony up your evidence. Since we seem to
be so focused on high visibility mass shootings,
how many of those turned out worse because of
someone with a CWP permit? How many victims in
such cases have been shot by someone with a CWP
returning fire?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>I'm not exactly a gun nut, by the way, I'd
never owned a gun before a couple of years ago
when I inherited one. I've shot a few, mostly
when I was younger. I would just like to talk
about this as if I wasn't promoting a side, but no
one here has allowed that. Ever since my first
post where I wondered what would have happened in
Aurora if someone had a concealed firearm on their
person I've ran headlong into a wall of
(paraphrasing) "a guy with a concealed handgun
could in no way, ever, actually be helpful in such
a situation".</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Just to test my understanding, can you
conceive of a situation involving a shooter on a
killing spree where a responsible person with a
concealed weapon might actually have helped
things?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Paul</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>On 08/12/2012 09:44 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote><span>I'm not denying anyone anything.
It is annoying that no matter how</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>carefully I state my points you
keep characterizing them as something</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>else -- in this case as an example
of "rabid anti-gun rhetoric." I'm</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>not anti-gun or anti-2nd
amendment. In fact, I've taken my son</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>shooting on several occasions in
the past few months, with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>knowledgeable friend who has been
offering gun safety lessons as well.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I don't own a gun for the reasons
I've stated: I am far more likely to</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>hurt myself or others with it than
to help anyone. And so are you and</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>so is nearly everyone. That's been
my only point. Start carrying a gun</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>around to "protect" yourself and
you are FAR more likely to do harm</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>than good. Yours is a fear-driven
attitude with absolutely no evidence</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>to support it. Statistics prove
this, as well as the fact that you</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>can't find one single example of a
person saving the day in a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>(potential) spree-killing. Not
one. Yet you continue to hold on to the</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>view that it is not a myth. Mine
is a very simple, reasonable,</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>rational point backed by countless
evidence. For you to turn it into</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>some type of radical view is
egregious but I'll have to get used to it</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>since you do this all the time.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Paul
Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I guess there's no point in
looking for other examples. Pre-planned,
well-executed mass-murders just aren't common
enough to give you those statistics and the
percentage of CWP holder is (I'm guessing)
relatively small, and most of these killing
sprees happen in gun-free zones where
law-abiding permit holders wouldn't be armed
anyway. This NY Times article claims that the
Aurora theater banned firearms (even to permit
holders), which places it in the category of
"gun-free zones" too.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1"
target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>If someone had you pinned down
in a dark theater and you feared for your life
wouldn't you want some way to defend yourself?
I don't get this rabid anti-gun rhetoric. I
notice the ban firearms policy didn't stop
James Holmes from going on his killing spree.
Metal detectors wouldn't have helped, either,
because he left and came back through the exit
doors which wouldn't have had them anyway.
Even a complete firearms ban country-wide
wouldn't have helped because I doubt he would
have had qualms about purchasing guns on the
black market. It might have taken him longer
to prepare, is all.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Short of a 1984-esque society, I
don't know how you could stop this kind of
thing. Even if they were successful, this guy
could have done what he did with a satchel
full of Molotov cocktails. So why not even the
odds and allow people the option of personal
defense?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On 08/12/2012 07:10 AM, Joe
Campbell wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>But this is a case in which
someone did not use a gun to defend</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>himself against the attacker.
According to the Pastor, "I was up there</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>preaching, and I stepped off
of there into a chair and on the rail</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>that went around, and I dove
right off and grabbed the gun." The</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Pastor had concealed weapons
training but didn't use a gun to prevent</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>further harm.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Again, I have nothing against
training, nothing against guns frankly</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>(though I think it is too easy
to get guns in our country). My main</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>point is that guns usually do
more harm than good. It is rare that</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>having a gun will actually
help you and the evidence suggests that if</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>you own a gun you are far more
likely to be harmed by it -- either by</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>accident or by an assailant
taking it from you -- than you are of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>protecting yourself in an
Aurora type situation.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:45
PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Here's one that happened in
Boiling Springs, SC. Some links to news
stories</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>about it:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/"
target="_blank">http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/"
target="_blank">http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>tl;dr version: A man with a
CWP, armed, sees a man take a shotgun out
of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>the trunk of his car during
church services. He warns the
congregation, and</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>locks the doors. The man
kicks in a side door and is disarmed and
wrestled</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>to the ground by
parishioners and held at gunpoint by the
guy with the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>concealed weapons permit
until authorities arrive. The shotgun the
man had</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>brought was loaded, and he
claims he was going to kidnap the pastor.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I don't know if this would
have turned into a bloodbath if that guy
hadn't</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>acted quickly, I doubt
anyone does. That's the trouble with this
sort of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>request as Gary alluded to.
We don't know that this would have been a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>tragedy without his help,
but it sure might have been one.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On 08/11/2012 09:52 PM, Joe
Campbell wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Well I can't. But you said
it was a robbery, not a Columbine or
Aurora type</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>situation. Certainly you
can't be sure he didn't prevent deaths;
can't be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>sure their guns were loaded
either. You just don't know. Paul was
talking</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>about an Aurora type
situation, where the purpose is spree
killing. Any</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>examples of someone
preventing that from happening with a
handgun? Haven't</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>heard or seen of one yet.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM,
"Gary Crabtree" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>So, logically speaking, how
can you know what was prevented? How can
you</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>know that one of the bandits
wouldn't have started shooting and not
quit</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>till the incident had
assumed tragic proportions? Were did you
acquire this</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>awesome ability to determine
what might and might not have been?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>g</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>From: Joe Campbell</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Sent: Saturday, August 11,
2012 3:46 PM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>To: Gary Crabtree</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Cc: Paul Rumelhart ; <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Well whether someone used a
gun and saved the day in a case like
Aurora is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>either true or false. If
true, when and where?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>The case you have is
different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and
were</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>subsequently shot by an old
man. Not a case of preventing violence by
any</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>means.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I guess your next suggestion
is to get rid of police -- too much big</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>government -- and it's
everyone for himself.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:34 PM,
"Gary Crabtree" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>CWP holders will be
reluctant to pipe up in as much as part of
concealed is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>keeping your yap shut and
avoiding telling all of Gods creation that
you're</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>healed. Your opinion is
looked on with favor by some to be sure.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>A recent example of an armed
citizen exercising his rights to good
effect:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html"
target="_blank">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>To say that a guy with a
hand gun has never prevented a massacre is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>illogical in as much as who
can say what might have happened had a
different</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>path been followed? In one
scenario two goblins are wounded and taken
to</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>jail. In another, a dozen
innocents minding their own business in a
internet</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>café are senselessly
murdered...film at 11:00</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>g</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>From: Paul Rumelhart</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Sent: Saturday, August 11,
2012 9:57 AM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Yes, you'd have to be damn
sure about your line of fire. Firing in
the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>middle of a frenzied crowd
running panicked for the exits would
surely be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>asking for trouble.
However, it's my understanding that for a
while during</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>the shooting the shooter had
complete control of the situation. Anyone</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>trying to leave was shot.
Many people were playing dead in the
hopes they</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>would be passed over.
Firing on the shooter, even if he's in
body armor,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>might distract him enough
that some people might have made it to the
exits.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Body armor doesn't make you
invincible, depending on the armor and the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>caliber of the weapon used
you might still have made an impact, since
he'd</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>still be hit by the blunt
force of the bullet. In this situation,
though,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>you would probably also have
been shot dead shortly after because he
was so</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>well prepared (vest,
leggings, throat protector, groin
protector, and a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>helmet with a visor). Who
knows? Telling a loved one "when I start</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>shooting, RUN for the exit
and don't stop" might have worked.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Most other shootings like
this we've heard about haven't involved
such a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>heavily armored assailant.
In fact, quite a few of them have taken
place in</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>areas where gun use is often
restricted, such as in schools or on
university</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>campuses. Harris and
Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at
Columbine.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>A student who had happened
to have smuggled a gun into the school
might have</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>been able to have had a real
impact on that event.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>An interesting thing to
think about, in my opinion. Apparently,
that</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>opinion is not shared on
this list.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art
Deco wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>It's hard to think of
something more foolish than someone or
ones with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>hand gun in a disorganized,
panicky crowd trying to shoot a person
with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>automatic weapon shielded by
body armor. How many more victims would
be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>added to the final body
count?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Didn't something like this
happen in the Moscow Massacre?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>w.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02
AM, Donovan Arnold</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Tom,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>While your wife if
shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I
mean come on,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>support your community why
don't you. :)</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>From: Tom Hansen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>To: Sunil Ramalingam <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Cc: "<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Sent: Friday, August 10,
2012 6:47 PM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>You may very well be
right, Sunil.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>It's just a habit I have
acquired while in the service. Trust
those</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>around you, but keep your
powder dry.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I saw the poster at
Tri-State. And, as I've said before,
this is the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>first time I have seen
such an advertisement in Moscow. I
checked a few</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>things out, such as its
website, phone number, etc. etc. etc.
(Hey, I needed</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>something to pass the time
while my wife was shopping at
Tri-State).</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>The more I dug, the more
red flags I found. The more red flags I
found,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>the more I dug. I have so
many info sources, concerning the NFT
Academy,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>bookmarked for reference I
am thinking of discarding half of 'em.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Seeya round town, Moscow.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>"We're a town of about
23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>students are not very
active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>- Dale Courtney (March 28,
2007)</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19
PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I've taken such a class
and in the past had a concealed weapon
permit; who</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>knows, I may again. I
don't think this class is a big deal.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Sunil</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
17:41:58 -0700</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>The primary reason this
caught my eye . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I have lived here in
Moscow for just over twenty years. The
is the FIRST</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>time I have seen
concealed-weapon classes openly
advertised in town. Couple</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>that up with the
increasing paranoia, as a result of the
recent instances in</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Aurora (Colorado) and
Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have
a right to be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>curious.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>BTW, the NFT Academy
website has only been in existence since
April 2012</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>and was not publicly
released until June 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS
AGO).</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/"
target="_blank">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>I have more info to share,
concerning the NFT Academy and its
website, but</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>let's see where this
thread leads.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Seeya round town, Moscow.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>"We're a town of about
23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>students are not very
active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>- Dale Courtney (March 28,
2007)</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09
PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Something legal? The
nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Sunil</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
14:24:56 -0700</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Subject: [Vision2020] Look
See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Seeya round town, Moscow.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>"We're a town of about
23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>students are not very
active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>- Dale Courtney (March 28,
2007)</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================
List services made</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>available by First Step
Internet, serving the communities of the
Palouse</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>since 1994. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net/"
target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>List services made
available by First Step Internet,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>serving the communities of
the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net/"
target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================
List services made</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>available by First Step
Internet, serving the communities of the
Palouse</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>since 1994. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net/"
target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>List services made
available by First Step I</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>List services made available
by First Step Internet,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>serving the communities of
the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net"
target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span>=======================================================</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<span></span><br>
<span>=======================================================</span><br>
<span>List services made available by First Step
Internet,</span><br>
<span>serving the communities of the Palouse since
1994.</span><br>
<span> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>
<span> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
<span>=======================================================</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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</div>
</blockquote>
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======================================================= List
services made available by First Step Internet, serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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