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I suspect that someone unstable enough to shoot up a cafe might
not have any qualms about carrying a concealed weapon without a
permit despite the fact that it's illegal. It's not like shooting
people is legal, either.<br>
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Also, in my opinion, the quote "I don't know that there's anything
you can do in these situations. We can't treat him like a child,
he's got his own life to live and he can make his own mistakes no
matter how horrific those mistakes turn out to be" is really at
the center of this debate. Personal responsibility vs. the "nanny
state".<br>
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Do we want to be stripped and strapped to our seats when we fly,
or do we want to live with a little more risk? Do we want all
tools that fire projectiles or have sharp edges made unavailable,
and safe Playskool toys available instead?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/12/2012 01:01 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div>Very, very possibly . . . </div>
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<div>Since he could not carry his weapon concealed, he may
possibly have been arrested earlir for carrying a concealed
weapon without a permit.<br>
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<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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<div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college students are not very active in local elections
(thank goodness!)."</div>
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<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
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On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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Do you think his not having a concealed handgun permit would
have stopped this tragedy? Honest question, not a "zinger".<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/12/2012 12:28 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div>Courtesy of the Huffington Post at:</div>
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justify; ">Another day, another mass shooting
committed by a private citizen legally allowed to
carry a concealed, loaded handgun in public.</p>
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Seattle cafe on Wednesday and opened fire, killing
four people. He then left Cafe Racer, killing
another person during a carjacking before taking
his own life.</p>
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justify; ">The pro-gun reaction to this most
recent slaughter by a concealed handgun permit
holder? That's life.</p>
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justify; ">As pro-gun advocate Dave Workman, a
loyal foot soldier in the pro-gun publishing and
lobbying empire of convicted felon Alan Gottlieb <a
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KUOW:</p>
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227) !important; ">"I don't know that there's
anything you can do in these situations. We can't
treat him like a child, he's got his own life to
live and he can make his own mistakes no matter
how horrific those mistakes turn out to be."</blockquote>
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justify; ">"Those mistakes" happen all too often.
According to a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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organization, the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/index.htm"
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none; outline-width: initial; outline-color:
initial; ">Violence Policy Center</a>, since May
2007, nearly 450 people have been killed in 334
non-self defense incidents by private citizens
legally allowed to carry concealed handguns.</p>
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justify; ">Not including this week's attack in
Seattle, 20 of those incidents have been mass
shootings of three victims or more, resulting in
the deaths of 89 innocent victims.</p>
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family annihilators to workplace shooters,
murder-suicides to attempted political
assassination:</p>
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July 2011, in Texas, Tan Do, 35, opened fire at
his son's 11th birthday party being held at the
Forum Roller World in Grand Prairie, Texas,
killing the boy's mother and four members of her
family before taking his own life.</li>
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June 2011, in Arizona, Carey H. Dyess, 73, went
on an hours-long shooting rampage in two
communities, killing five before taking his own
life.</li>
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January 2011, in Arizona, Jared Lee Loughner,
22, opened fire at a "Congress on Your Corner"
constituent event held by Arizona U.S.
Representative Gabrielle Giffords outside a
Tucson Safeway supermarket. Loughner killed six
people, including a federal judge and a
nine-year-old girl, and injured 13, including
Giffords, who was shot once the face.</li>
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August 2010, in Connecticut, Omar Thornton, 34,
went on a shooting rampage at the beer
distributorship where he worked, killing eight
co-workers before taking his own life.</li>
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June 2010, in Florida, Gerardo Regalado, 38,
committed <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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worst mass shooting: killing four women and
wounding three others at the Yoyito
Cafe-Restaurant.</li>
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March 2010, in Tennessee, Michael Joe Hood, 49,
shot and killed his sister Susan Hood Binkley,
44, her ex-husband Dale Binkley, 42, and their
13-year-old son Jackson Binkley.</li>
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none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
January 2010, in Virginia, Christopher Speight
allegedly shot and killed eight people including
his sister and her husband, their 15-year-old
daughter and four-year-old son, as well as two
teenagers aged 15 and 16.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
December 2009, in Utah, Justin Matern shot and
killed his wife and two sons, ages six and four,
before turning the gun on himself.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">On
Thanksgiving Day 2009, in Florida, Paul Michael
Merhige allegedly opened fire at his family's
Thanksgiving dinner shooting six relatives,
killing four. The deceased victims were his twin
sisters (one of whom was pregnant), his
76-year-old aunt, and a six-year-old cousin. As
he left the scene, Merhige was quoted by one
witness as saying, "I have been waiting 20 years
for this."</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
November 2009, in North Carolina, William
Maxwell shot and killed his wife Kathryn and
their teenage children Conner and Cameron before
killing himself.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
August 2009, in Pennsylvania, George Sodini, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-apple-data-detectors://3"
x-apple-data-detectors="true">48, opened fire
at an LA Fitness Center in Collier,
Pennsylvania</a>, killing three women and
wounding nine others before turning the gun on
himself.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;
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padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
April 2009, in Pennsylvania, white supremacist
Richard Poplawski shot and killed police
officers Stephen Mayhle, Paul Sciullo, and Eric
Kelly while injuring another.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
March 2009, in Alabama, Michael McLendon, a
self-proclaimed survivalist, killed his mother
at their family home, beginning a shooting
rampage that stretched across 24 miles. By the
time McLendon took his own life in the midst of
a police shootout at a factory where he had
previously worked, he had shot four more
relatives, including his 74-year-old
grandmother, and five strangers, including the
wife and 18-month-old daughter of a local
sheriff's deputy.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;
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padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
border-top-style: none; border-right-style:
none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
February 2009, in New York, Frank Garcia opened
fire with a .40 Glock pistol in the Lakeside
Memorial Hospital parking lot in Brockport, NY.
He had recently been fired by the hospital. He
shot three people there, killing two, before
killing a married couple at their home in
Canandaigua.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
September 2008, in Michigan, Troy Brake, 31,
shot to death 52-year-old Sharmaine Zimmer, her
sons, Tyler, 17, and Jeremy, 20, and beat to
death Jeremy's girlfriend, university student
Katherine Brown, 18.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
May 2008, in Virginia, Aaron Poseidon Jackson,
24, shot and killed his two children,
one-year-old Aaron Neptune Jackson and
two-year-old Nicole Aaron Jackson, and their
mother Latasha Nicole Thomas, before taking his
own life.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
March 2008, in Georgia, former substitute
teacher Charles Johnston entered Doctors
Hospital in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-apple-data-detectors://4"
x-apple-data-detectors="true">Columbus,
Georgia</a>, carrying three handguns: a .32, a
380, and a 9mm. Johnson allegedly killed two
people in the hospital and a victim in the
parking lot.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
September 2007, in Florida, Guillermo Zarabozo
and another man hired a charter boat, later
killing the boat's crew of four. Zarabozo was
found guilty of the four murders.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc;
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margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;
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none; border-bottom-style: none;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
July 2007, in Ohio, firefighter Terrance Hough
Jr. used a 40 caliber pistol to shoot and kill
neighbor Jacob Feichtner as well as Bruce
Anderson and Katherine Rosby as a result of a
dispute over fireworks the three were setting
off on the Fourth of July. Hough also shot and
injured two others. Hough's fellow firefighters
described him as a "ticking time bomb that
finally exploded."</li>
<li class="last" style="list-style-type: disc;
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border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In
May 2007, in Idaho, Jason Kenneth Hamilton, a
member of the white supremacist group Aryan
Nation, shot and killed his wife, a police
officer, and a church sexton, and wounded three
others before turning the gun on himself in a
shooting spree in Moscow, Idaho. Hamilton had a
concealed handgun permit "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwlawenforcement.pdf"
target="_hplink" style="list-style-type: none;
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visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0,
136, 195) !important; text-indent: 0px
!important; outline-style: none;
outline-width: initial; outline-color:
initial; ">despite a [previous] domestic
violence conviction that should have barred
him from owning guns.</a>"</li>
</ul>
<p style="list-style-type: none;
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initial; text-decoration: none; overflow-x:
visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:
justify; ">Because most states don't release
detailed information on crimes committed by
concealed handgun permit holders, the incidents
listed above are from news reports. The actual
number of lethal non-self defense incidents
involving private citizens legally allowed to
carry concealed handguns is most likely far, far
higher.</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none;
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none; border-width: initial; border-color:
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visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:
justify; ">And yet, according to concealed carry
advocate Dave Workman, concealed handgun permit
holder and mass shooter Ian Stawicki had "his own
life to live."</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none;
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visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:
justify; ">What about his victims and their
families?</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>-----------------------------------</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college students are not very active in
local elections (thank goodness!)."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div><span></span></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><span></span><br>
<span>Well, pony up your evidence. Since we seem to be
so focused on high visibility mass shootings, how many
of those turned out worse because of someone with a
CWP permit? How many victims in such cases have been
shot by someone with a CWP returning fire?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>I'm not exactly a gun nut, by the way, I'd never
owned a gun before a couple of years ago when I
inherited one. I've shot a few, mostly when I was
younger. I would just like to talk about this as if I
wasn't promoting a side, but no one here has allowed
that. Ever since my first post where I wondered what
would have happened in Aurora if someone had a
concealed firearm on their person I've ran headlong
into a wall of (paraphrasing) "a guy with a concealed
handgun could in no way, ever, actually be helpful in
such a situation".</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Just to test my understanding, can you conceive of
a situation involving a shooter on a killing spree
where a responsible person with a concealed weapon
might actually have helped things?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Paul</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>On 08/12/2012 09:44 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not denying anyone
anything. It is annoying that no matter how</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>carefully I state my
points you keep characterizing them as something</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>else -- in this case as an
example of "rabid anti-gun rhetoric." I'm</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>not anti-gun or anti-2nd
amendment. In fact, I've taken my son</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>shooting on several
occasions in the past few months, with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>knowledgeable friend who
has been offering gun safety lessons as well.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't own a gun for the
reasons I've stated: I am far more likely to</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>hurt myself or others with
it than to help anyone. And so are you and</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>so is nearly everyone.
That's been my only point. Start carrying a gun</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>around to "protect"
yourself and you are FAR more likely to do harm</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>than good. Yours is a
fear-driven attitude with absolutely no evidence</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>to support it. Statistics
prove this, as well as the fact that you</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>can't find one single
example of a person saving the day in a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>(potential) spree-killing.
Not one. Yet you continue to hold on to the</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>view that it is not a
myth. Mine is a very simple, reasonable,</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>rational point backed by
countless evidence. For you to turn it into</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>some type of radical view
is egregious but I'll have to get used to it</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>since you do this all the
time.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:14
AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I guess there's no point
in looking for other examples. Pre-planned,
well-executed mass-murders just aren't common
enough to give you those statistics and the
percentage of CWP holder is (I'm guessing)
relatively small, and most of these killing sprees
happen in gun-free zones where law-abiding permit
holders wouldn't be armed anyway. This NY Times
article claims that the Aurora theater banned
firearms (even to permit holders), which places it
in the category of "gun-free zones" too.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>If someone had you
pinned down in a dark theater and you feared for
your life wouldn't you want some way to defend
yourself? I don't get this rabid anti-gun
rhetoric. I notice the ban firearms policy didn't
stop James Holmes from going on his killing spree.
Metal detectors wouldn't have helped, either,
because he left and came back through the exit
doors which wouldn't have had them anyway. Even a
complete firearms ban country-wide wouldn't have
helped because I doubt he would have had qualms
about purchasing guns on the black market. It
might have taken him longer to prepare, is all.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Short of a 1984-esque
society, I don't know how you could stop this kind
of thing. Even if they were successful, this guy
could have done what he did with a satchel full of
Molotov cocktails. So why not even the odds and
allow people the option of personal defense?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/12/2012 07:10 AM,
Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>But this is a case in
which someone did not use a gun to defend</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>himself against the
attacker. According to the Pastor, "I was up
there</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>preaching, and I
stepped off of there into a chair and on the
rail</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>that went around, and
I dove right off and grabbed the gun." The</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Pastor had concealed
weapons training but didn't use a gun to prevent</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>further harm.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Again, I have nothing
against training, nothing against guns frankly</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>(though I think it is
too easy to get guns in our country). My main</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>point is that guns
usually do more harm than good. It is rare that</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>having a gun will
actually help you and the evidence suggests that
if</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>you own a gun you are
far more likely to be harmed by it -- either by</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>accident or by an
assailant taking it from you -- than you are of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>protecting yourself in
an Aurora type situation.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012
at 11:45 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Here's one that
happened in Boiling Springs, SC. Some links
to news stories</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>about it:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html">http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/">http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/">http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/</a></span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>tl;dr version: A
man with a CWP, armed, sees a man take a
shotgun out of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>the trunk of his car
during church services. He warns the
congregation, and</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>locks the doors.
The man kicks in a side door and is disarmed
and wrestled</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>to the ground by
parishioners and held at gunpoint by the guy
with the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>concealed weapons
permit until authorities arrive. The shotgun
the man had</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>brought was loaded,
and he claims he was going to kidnap the
pastor.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know if this
would have turned into a bloodbath if that guy
hadn't</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>acted quickly, I
doubt anyone does. That's the trouble with
this sort of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>request as Gary
alluded to. We don't know that this would
have been a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>tragedy without his
help, but it sure might have been one.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/11/2012 09:52
PM, Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Well I can't. But
you said it was a robbery, not a Columbine or
Aurora type</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>situation. Certainly
you can't be sure he didn't prevent deaths;
can't be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>sure their guns were
loaded either. You just don't know. Paul was
talking</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>about an Aurora type
situation, where the purpose is spree killing.
Any</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>examples of someone
preventing that from happening with a handgun?
Haven't</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>heard or seen of one
yet.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at
8:28 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>So, logically
speaking, how can you know what was prevented?
How can you</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>know that one of the
bandits wouldn't have started shooting and not
quit</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>till the incident
had assumed tragic proportions? Were did you
acquire this</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>awesome ability to
determine what might and might not have been?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>g</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Joe Campbell</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday,
August 11, 2012 3:46 PM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Gary Crabtree</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Paul Rumelhart ;
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Well whether someone
used a gun and saved the day in a case like
Aurora is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>either true or
false. If true, when and where?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>The case you have is
different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and were</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>subsequently shot by
an old man. Not a case of preventing violence
by any</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>means.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I guess your next
suggestion is to get rid of police -- too much
big</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>government -- and
it's everyone for himself.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at
2:34 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>CWP holders will be
reluctant to pipe up in as much as part of
concealed is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>keeping your yap
shut and avoiding telling all of Gods creation
that you're</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>healed. Your opinion
is looked on with favor by some to be sure.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>A recent example of
an armed citizen exercising his rights to good
effect:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To say that a guy
with a hand gun has never prevented a massacre
is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>illogical in as much
as who can say what might have happened had a
different</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>path been followed?
In one scenario two goblins are wounded and
taken to</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>jail. In another, a
dozen innocents minding their own business in
a internet</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>café are senselessly
murdered...film at 11:00</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>g</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Paul Rumelhart</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday,
August 11, 2012 9:57 AM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes, you'd have to
be damn sure about your line of fire. Firing
in the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>middle of a frenzied
crowd running panicked for the exits would
surely be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>asking for trouble.
However, it's my understanding that for a
while during</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>the shooting the
shooter had complete control of the situation.
Anyone</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>trying to leave was
shot. Many people were playing dead in the
hopes they</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>would be passed
over. Firing on the shooter, even if he's in
body armor,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>might distract him
enough that some people might have made it to
the exits.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Body armor doesn't
make you invincible, depending on the armor
and the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>caliber of the
weapon used you might still have made an
impact, since he'd</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>still be hit by the
blunt force of the bullet. In this situation,
though,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>you would probably
also have been shot dead shortly after because
he was so</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>well prepared (vest,
leggings, throat protector, groin protector,
and a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>helmet with a
visor). Who knows? Telling a loved one "when
I start</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>shooting, RUN for
the exit and don't stop" might have worked.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Most other shootings
like this we've heard about haven't involved
such a</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>heavily armored
assailant. In fact, quite a few of them have
taken place in</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>areas where gun use
is often restricted, such as in schools or on
university</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>campuses. Harris
and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at
Columbine.</span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>A student who had
happened to have smuggled a gun into the
school might have</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>been able to have
had a real impact on that event.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>An interesting thing
to think about, in my opinion. Apparently,
that</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>opinion is not
shared on this list.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/11/2012 08:13
AM, Art Deco wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>It's hard to think
of something more foolish than someone or ones
with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>hand gun in a
disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a
person with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>automatic weapon
shielded by body armor. How many more victims
would be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>added to the final
body count?</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Didn't something
like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>w.</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012
at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom,</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>While your wife if
shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean
come on,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>support your
community why don't you. :)</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Tom Hansen
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Sunil
Ramalingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: "<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday,
August 10, 2012 6:47 PM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State
is Promoting . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>.</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>You may very well
be right, Sunil.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>It's just a habit
I have acquired while in the service. Trust
those</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>around you, but
keep your powder dry.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I saw the poster
at Tri-State. And, as I've said before,
this is the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>first time I have
seen such an advertisement in Moscow. I
checked a few</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>things out, such
as its website, phone number, etc. etc. etc.
(Hey, I needed</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>something to pass
the time while my wife was shopping at
Tri-State).</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>The more I dug,
the more red flags I found. The more red
flags I found,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>the more I dug. I
have so many info sources, concerning the
NFT Academy,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>bookmarked for
reference I am thinking of discarding half
of 'em.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,
Moscow.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not
very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>- Dale Courtney
(March 28, 2007)</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 10, 2012,
at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I've taken such a
class and in the past had a concealed weapon
permit; who</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>knows, I may
again. I don't think this class is a big
deal.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sunil</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug
2012 17:41:58 -0700</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State
is Promoting . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>The primary reason
this caught my eye . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I have lived here
in Moscow for just over twenty years. The
is the FIRST</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>time I have seen
concealed-weapon classes openly advertised
in town. Couple</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>that up with the
increasing paranoia, as a result of the
recent instances in</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Aurora (Colorado)
and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have
a right to be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>curious.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>BTW, the NFT
Academy website has only been in existence
since April 2012</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>and was not
publicly released until June 12, 2012 (TWO
MONTHS AGO).</span><br>
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href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I have more info
to share, concerning the NFT Academy and its
website, but</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>let's see where
this thread leads.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,
Moscow.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not
very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>- Dale Courtney
(March 28, 2007)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 10, 2012,
at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Something legal?
The nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sunil</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug
2012 14:24:56 -0700</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject:
[Vision2020] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,
Moscow.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not
very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>- Dale Courtney
(March 28, 2007)</span><br>
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href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net/</a>
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Step Internet, serving the communities of
the Palouse</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>since 1994. <a
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href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
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communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span> <a
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href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
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<span>List services made available by First Step
Internet,</span><br>
<span>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>
<span> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>
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href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
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