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Do you think his not having a concealed handgun permit would have
stopped this tragedy? Honest question, not a "zinger".<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 08/12/2012 12:28 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif
!important; text-align: justify; ">Another day, another
mass shooting committed by a private citizen legally
allowed to carry a concealed, loaded handgun in public.</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
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!important; text-align: justify; ">This time it was
40-year-old <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-Seattle-shootings-were-like-an-execution-3599900.php#ixzz1wYVmZm5l"
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!important; outline-style: none; outline-width:
initial; outline-color: initial; ">Ian Stawicki</a>,
who entered a Seattle cafe on Wednesday and opened fire,
killing four people. He then left Cafe Racer, killing
another person during a carjacking before taking his own
life.</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
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visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 1.5em;
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!important; text-align: justify; ">The pro-gun reaction
to this most recent slaughter by a concealed handgun
permit holder? That's life.</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
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!important; text-align: justify; ">As pro-gun advocate
Dave Workman, a loyal foot soldier in the pro-gun
publishing and lobbying empire of convicted felon Alan
Gottlieb <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kuow.org/program.php?id=26924"
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local NPR affiliate KUOW:</p>
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!important; ">"I don't know that there's anything you
can do in these situations. We can't treat him like a
child, he's got his own life to live and he can make his
own mistakes no matter how horrific those mistakes turn
out to be."</blockquote>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
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!important; text-align: justify; ">"Those mistakes"
happen all too often. According to a <a
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by my organization, the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/index.htm" target="_hplink"
style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
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outline-color: initial; ">Violence Policy Center</a>,
since May 2007, nearly 450 people have been killed in
334 non-self defense incidents by private citizens
legally allowed to carry concealed handguns.</p>
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!important; text-align: justify; ">Not including this
week's attack in Seattle, 20 of those incidents have
been mass shootings of three victims or more, resulting
in the deaths of 89 innocent victims.</p>
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!important; text-align: justify; ">Listed below, they
run the gamut from family annihilators to workplace
shooters, murder-suicides to attempted political
assassination:</p>
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2011, in Texas, Tan Do, 35, opened fire at his son's
11th birthday party being held at the Forum Roller
World in Grand Prairie, Texas, killing the boy's
mother and four members of her family before taking
his own life.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
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Dyess, 73, went on an hours-long shooting rampage in
two communities, killing five before taking his own
life.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
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0px !important; ">In January 2011, in Arizona, Jared
Lee Loughner, 22, opened fire at a "Congress on Your
Corner" constituent event held by Arizona U.S.
Representative Gabrielle Giffords outside a Tucson
Safeway supermarket. Loughner killed six people,
including a federal judge and a nine-year-old girl,
and injured 13, including Giffords, who was shot once
the face.</li>
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0px !important; ">In August 2010, in Connecticut, Omar
Thornton, 34, went on a shooting rampage at the beer
distributorship where he worked, killing eight
co-workers before taking his own life.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
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0px !important; ">In June 2010, in Florida, Gerardo
Regalado, 38, committed <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-apple-data-detectors://2"
x-apple-data-detectors="true">Hialeah, Florida</a>'s
worst mass shooting: killing four women and wounding
three others at the Yoyito Cafe-Restaurant.</li>
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0px !important; ">In March 2010, in Tennessee, Michael
Joe Hood, 49, shot and killed his sister Susan Hood
Binkley, 44, her ex-husband Dale Binkley, 42, and
their 13-year-old son Jackson Binkley.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
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0px !important; ">In January 2010, in Virginia,
Christopher Speight allegedly shot and killed eight
people including his sister and her husband, their
15-year-old daughter and four-year-old son, as well as
two teenagers aged 15 and 16.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
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Matern shot and killed his wife and two sons, ages six
and four, before turning the gun on himself.</li>
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Florida, Paul Michael Merhige allegedly opened fire at
his family's Thanksgiving dinner shooting six
relatives, killing four. The deceased victims were his
twin sisters (one of whom was pregnant), his
76-year-old aunt, and a six-year-old cousin. As he
left the scene, Merhige was quoted by one witness as
saying, "I have been waiting 20 years for this."</li>
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35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
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border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In November 2009, in North Carolina,
William Maxwell shot and killed his wife Kathryn and
their teenage children Conner and Cameron before
killing himself.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In August 2009, in Pennsylvania,
George Sodini, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-apple-data-detectors://3"
x-apple-data-detectors="true">48, opened fire at an
LA Fitness Center in Collier, Pennsylvania</a>,
killing three women and wounding nine others before
turning the gun on himself.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In April 2009, in Pennsylvania,
white supremacist Richard Poplawski shot and killed
police officers Stephen Mayhle, Paul Sciullo, and Eric
Kelly while injuring another.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;
border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In March 2009, in Alabama, Michael
McLendon, a self-proclaimed survivalist, killed his
mother at their family home, beginning a shooting
rampage that stretched across 24 miles. By the time
McLendon took his own life in the midst of a police
shootout at a factory where he had previously worked,
he had shot four more relatives, including his
74-year-old grandmother, and five strangers, including
the wife and 18-month-old daughter of a local
sheriff's deputy.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;
border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;
border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In February 2009, in New York, Frank
Garcia opened fire with a .40 Glock pistol in the
Lakeside Memorial Hospital parking lot in Brockport,
NY. He had recently been fired by the hospital. He
shot three people there, killing two, before killing a
married couple at their home in Canandaigua.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
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35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;
border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In September 2008, in Michigan, Troy
Brake, 31, shot to death 52-year-old Sharmaine Zimmer,
her sons, Tyler, 17, and Jeremy, 20, and beat to death
Jeremy's girlfriend, university student Katherine
Brown, 18.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;
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border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In May 2008, in Virginia, Aaron
Poseidon Jackson, 24, shot and killed his two
children, one-year-old Aaron Neptune Jackson and
two-year-old Nicole Aaron Jackson, and their mother
Latasha Nicole Thomas, before taking his own life.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;
border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;
border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In March 2008, in Georgia, former
substitute teacher Charles Johnston entered Doctors
Hospital in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="x-apple-data-detectors://4"
x-apple-data-detectors="true">Columbus, Georgia</a>,
carrying three handguns: a .32, a 380, and a 9mm.
Johnson allegedly killed two people in the hospital
and a victim in the parking lot.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
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border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In September 2007, in Florida,
Guillermo Zarabozo and another man hired a charter
boat, later killing the boat's crew of four. Zarabozo
was found guilty of the four murders.</li>
<li style="list-style-type: disc; list-style-position:
inside; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left:
35px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;
border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;
border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;
border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible;
overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent:
0px !important; ">In July 2007, in Ohio, firefighter
Terrance Hough Jr. used a 40 caliber pistol to shoot
and kill neighbor Jacob Feichtner as well as Bruce
Anderson and Katherine Rosby as a result of a dispute
over fireworks the three were setting off on the
Fourth of July. Hough also shot and injured two
others. Hough's fellow firefighters described him as a
"ticking time bomb that finally exploded."</li>
<li class="last" style="list-style-type: disc;
list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:
initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
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0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 5px; border-top-style: none;
border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none;
border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;
border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;
overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In May
2007, in Idaho, Jason Kenneth Hamilton, a member of
the white supremacist group Aryan Nation, shot and
killed his wife, a police officer, and a church
sexton, and wounded three others before turning the
gun on himself in a shooting spree in Moscow, Idaho.
Hamilton had a concealed handgun permit "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwlawenforcement.pdf"
target="_hplink" style="list-style-type: none;
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initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
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overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:
rgb(0, 136, 195) !important; text-indent: 0px
!important; outline-style: none; outline-width:
initial; outline-color: initial; ">despite a
[previous] domestic violence conviction that should
have barred him from owning guns.</a>"</li>
</ul>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
initial; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
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0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;
border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;
border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none;
border-width: initial; border-color: initial;
text-decoration: none; overflow-x: visible; overflow-y:
visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 1.5em;
font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif
!important; text-align: justify; ">Because most states
don't release detailed information on crimes committed
by concealed handgun permit holders, the incidents
listed above are from news reports. The actual number of
lethal non-self defense incidents involving private
citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns is
most likely far, far higher.</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
initial; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
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0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
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visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 1.5em;
font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif
!important; text-align: justify; ">And yet, according to
concealed carry advocate Dave Workman, concealed handgun
permit holder and mass shooter Ian Stawicki had "his own
life to live."</p>
<p style="list-style-type: none; list-style-position:
initial; list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;
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0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
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visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 1.5em;
font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif
!important; text-align: justify; ">What about his
victims and their families?</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>-----------------------------------</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college students are not very active in local elections
(thank goodness!)."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div><span></span></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><span></span><br>
<span>Well, pony up your evidence. Since we seem to be so
focused on high visibility mass shootings, how many of those
turned out worse because of someone with a CWP permit? How
many victims in such cases have been shot by someone with a
CWP returning fire?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>I'm not exactly a gun nut, by the way, I'd never owned a
gun before a couple of years ago when I inherited one. I've
shot a few, mostly when I was younger. I would just like to
talk about this as if I wasn't promoting a side, but no one
here has allowed that. Ever since my first post where I
wondered what would have happened in Aurora if someone had a
concealed firearm on their person I've ran headlong into a
wall of (paraphrasing) "a guy with a concealed handgun could
in no way, ever, actually be helpful in such a situation".</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Just to test my understanding, can you conceive of a
situation involving a shooter on a killing spree where a
responsible person with a concealed weapon might actually
have helped things?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Paul</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>On 08/12/2012 09:44 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not denying anyone anything.
It is annoying that no matter how</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>carefully I state my points you
keep characterizing them as something</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>else -- in this case as an
example of "rabid anti-gun rhetoric." I'm</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>not anti-gun or anti-2nd
amendment. In fact, I've taken my son</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>shooting on several occasions in
the past few months, with a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>knowledgeable friend who has
been offering gun safety lessons as well.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't own a gun for the
reasons I've stated: I am far more likely to</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>hurt myself or others with it
than to help anyone. And so are you and</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>so is nearly everyone. That's
been my only point. Start carrying a gun</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>around to "protect" yourself and
you are FAR more likely to do harm</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>than good. Yours is a
fear-driven attitude with absolutely no evidence</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>to support it. Statistics prove
this, as well as the fact that you</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>can't find one single example of
a person saving the day in a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>(potential) spree-killing. Not
one. Yet you continue to hold on to the</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>view that it is not a myth. Mine
is a very simple, reasonable,</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>rational point backed by
countless evidence. For you to turn it into</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>some type of radical view is
egregious but I'll have to get used to it</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>since you do this all the time.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:14 AM,
Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I guess there's no point in
looking for other examples. Pre-planned, well-executed
mass-murders just aren't common enough to give you those
statistics and the percentage of CWP holder is (I'm
guessing) relatively small, and most of these killing
sprees happen in gun-free zones where law-abiding permit
holders wouldn't be armed anyway. This NY Times article
claims that the Aurora theater banned firearms (even to
permit holders), which places it in the category of
"gun-free zones" too.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>If someone had you pinned down
in a dark theater and you feared for your life wouldn't
you want some way to defend yourself? I don't get this
rabid anti-gun rhetoric. I notice the ban firearms
policy didn't stop James Holmes from going on his
killing spree. Metal detectors wouldn't have helped,
either, because he left and came back through the exit
doors which wouldn't have had them anyway. Even a
complete firearms ban country-wide wouldn't have helped
because I doubt he would have had qualms about
purchasing guns on the black market. It might have
taken him longer to prepare, is all.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Short of a 1984-esque society,
I don't know how you could stop this kind of thing.
Even if they were successful, this guy could have done
what he did with a satchel full of Molotov cocktails. So
why not even the odds and allow people the option of
personal defense?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/12/2012 07:10 AM, Joe
Campbell wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>But this is a case in which
someone did not use a gun to defend</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>himself against the
attacker. According to the Pastor, "I was up there</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>preaching, and I stepped off
of there into a chair and on the rail</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>that went around, and I dove
right off and grabbed the gun." The</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Pastor had concealed weapons
training but didn't use a gun to prevent</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>further harm.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Again, I have nothing
against training, nothing against guns frankly</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>(though I think it is too
easy to get guns in our country). My main</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>point is that guns usually
do more harm than good. It is rare that</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>having a gun will actually
help you and the evidence suggests that if</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>you own a gun you are far
more likely to be harmed by it -- either by</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>accident or by an assailant
taking it from you -- than you are of</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>protecting yourself in an
Aurora type situation.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at
11:45 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Here's one that happened
in Boiling Springs, SC. Some links to news stories</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>about it:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html">http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/">http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/">http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>tl;dr version: A man with
a CWP, armed, sees a man take a shotgun out of</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>the trunk of his car
during church services. He warns the congregation,
and</span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>locks the doors. The man
kicks in a side door and is disarmed and wrestled</span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>to the ground by
parishioners and held at gunpoint by the guy with
the</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>concealed weapons permit
until authorities arrive. The shotgun the man had</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>brought was loaded, and he
claims he was going to kidnap the pastor.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know if this would
have turned into a bloodbath if that guy hadn't</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>acted quickly, I doubt
anyone does. That's the trouble with this sort of</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>request as Gary alluded
to. We don't know that this would have been a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>tragedy without his help,
but it sure might have been one.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/11/2012 09:52 PM,
Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Well I can't. But you said
it was a robbery, not a Columbine or Aurora type</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>situation. Certainly you
can't be sure he didn't prevent deaths; can't be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>sure their guns were
loaded either. You just don't know. Paul was talking</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>about an Aurora type
situation, where the purpose is spree killing. Any</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>examples of someone
preventing that from happening with a handgun?
Haven't</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>heard or seen of one yet.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at 8:28
PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>So, logically speaking,
how can you know what was prevented? How can you</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>know that one of the
bandits wouldn't have started shooting and not quit</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>till the incident had
assumed tragic proportions? Were did you acquire
this</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>awesome ability to
determine what might and might not have been?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>g</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Joe Campbell</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday, August 11,
2012 3:46 PM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Gary Crabtree</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Paul Rumelhart ; <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Well whether someone used
a gun and saved the day in a case like Aurora is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>either true or false. If
true, when and where?</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>The case you have is
different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and were</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>subsequently shot by an
old man. Not a case of preventing violence by any</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>means.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I guess your next
suggestion is to get rid of police -- too much big</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>government -- and it's
everyone for himself.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:34
PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>CWP holders will be
reluctant to pipe up in as much as part of concealed
is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>keeping your yap shut and
avoiding telling all of Gods creation that you're</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>healed. Your opinion is
looked on with favor by some to be sure.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>A recent example of an
armed citizen exercising his rights to good effect:</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To say that a guy with a
hand gun has never prevented a massacre is</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>illogical in as much as
who can say what might have happened had a different</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>path been followed? In one
scenario two goblins are wounded and taken to</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>jail. In another, a dozen
innocents minding their own business in a internet</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>café are senselessly
murdered...film at 11:00</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>g</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Paul Rumelhart</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday, August 11,
2012 9:57 AM</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes, you'd have to be damn
sure about your line of fire. Firing in the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>middle of a frenzied crowd
running panicked for the exits would surely be</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>asking for trouble.
However, it's my understanding that for a while
during</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>the shooting the shooter
had complete control of the situation. Anyone</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>trying to leave was shot.
Many people were playing dead in the hopes they</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>would be passed over.
Firing on the shooter, even if he's in body armor,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>might distract him enough
that some people might have made it to the exits.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Body armor doesn't make
you invincible, depending on the armor and the</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>caliber of the weapon used
you might still have made an impact, since he'd</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>still be hit by the blunt
force of the bullet. In this situation, though,</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>you would probably also
have been shot dead shortly after because he was so</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>well prepared (vest,
leggings, throat protector, groin protector, and a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>helmet with a visor). Who
knows? Telling a loved one "when I start</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>shooting, RUN for the exit
and don't stop" might have worked.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Most other shootings like
this we've heard about haven't involved such a</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>heavily armored assailant.
In fact, quite a few of them have taken place in</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>areas where gun use is
often restricted, such as in schools or on
university</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>campuses. Harris and
Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at Columbine.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>A student who had happened
to have smuggled a gun into the school might have</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>been able to have had a
real impact on that event.</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>An interesting thing to
think about, in my opinion. Apparently, that</span><br>
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this list.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM,
Art Deco wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>It's hard to think of
something more foolish than someone or ones with a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>hand gun in a
disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person
with a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>automatic weapon shielded
by body armor. How many more victims would be</span><br>
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count?</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Didn't something like this
happen in the Moscow Massacre?</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>w.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at
7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>While your wife if
shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean come
on,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>support your community
why don't you. :)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Tom Hansen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Sunil Ramalingam
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: "<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, August 10,
2012 6:47 PM</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . .</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>You may very well be
right, Sunil.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>It's just a habit I have
acquired while in the service. Trust those</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>around you, but keep
your powder dry.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I saw the poster at
Tri-State. And, as I've said before, this is the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>first time I have seen
such an advertisement in Moscow. I checked a few</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>things out, such as its
website, phone number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey, I
needed</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>something to pass the
time while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>The more I dug, the more
red flags I found. The more red flags I found,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>the more I dug. I have
so many info sources, concerning the NFT Academy,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>bookmarked for reference
I am thinking of discarding half of 'em.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,
Moscow.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of about
23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not very
active in local elections (thank goodness!)."</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>- Dale Courtney (March
28, 2007)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19
PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I've taken such a class
and in the past had a concealed weapon permit; who</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>knows, I may again. I
don't think this class is a big deal.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sunil</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
17:41:58 -0700</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . .</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>The primary reason this
caught my eye . . .</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I have lived here in
Moscow for just over twenty years. The is the
FIRST</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>time I have seen
concealed-weapon classes openly advertised in
town. Couple</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>that up with the
increasing paranoia, as a result of the recent
instances in</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Aurora (Colorado) and
Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have a right
to be</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>curious.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>BTW, the NFT Academy
website has only been in existence since April
2012</span><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>and was not publicly
released until June 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I have more info to
share, concerning the NFT Academy and its website,
but</span><br>
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</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span>let's see where this
thread leads.</span><br>
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