<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 12, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">      <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">    <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>      I suspect that someone unstable enough to shoot up a cafe might      not have any qualms about carrying a concealed weapon without a      permit despite the fact that it's illegal.  It's not like shooting      people is legal, either.<br>      <br>      Also, in my opinion, the quote "I don't know that there's anything      you can do in these situations. We can't treat him like a child,      he's got his own life to live and he can make his own mistakes no      matter how horrific those mistakes turn out to be" is really at      the center of this debate.  Personal responsibility vs. the "nanny      state".<br>      <br>      Do we want to be stripped and strapped to our seats when we fly,      or do we want to live with a little more risk?  Do we want all      tools that fire projectiles or have sharp edges made unavailable,      and safe Playskool toys available instead?<br>      <br>      Paul<br>      <br>      On 08/12/2012 01:01 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>    </div>    <blockquote cite="mid:BA731F7D-6EED-4DBD-9FBB-C047CB4FE6A9@moscow.com" type="cite">      <div>Very, very possibly . . . </div>      <div><br>      </div>      <div>Since he could not carry his weapon concealed, he may        possibly have been arrested earlir for carrying a concealed        weapon without a permit.<br>        <br>        <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>        <div><br>        </div>        <div>Tom Hansen</div>        <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>        <div><br>        </div>        <div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.           The college students are not very active in local elections          (thank goodness!)."</div>        <div><br>        </div>        <div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>        <div> </div>      </div>      <div><br>        On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>        wrote:<br>        <br>      </div>      <blockquote type="cite">        <div>          <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>            Do you think his not having a concealed handgun permit would            have stopped this tragedy?  Honest question, not a "zinger".<br>            <br>            Paul<br>            <br>            On 08/12/2012 12:28 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>          </div>          <blockquote cite="mid:752EE93D-F0D9-42F8-ADAB-F5D8E8038541@moscow.com" type="cite">            <div>              <div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26,                0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,                192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:                rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: medium; ">                <div>Courtesy of the Huffington Post at:</div>                <div><br>                </div>                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/seattle-mass-shooting-lat_b_1563392.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/seattle-mass-shooting-lat_b_1563392.html</a></div>              <div style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26,                0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,                192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:                rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: medium; ">                 <div>-----------------------------------</div>                <div><br>                </div>                <div id="blog_title" style="list-style-type: none;                  list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                  initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                  margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:                  0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;                  padding-left: 0px; border-top-style: none;                  border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none;                  border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                  border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                  overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                  rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important;                  font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;                  -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26,                  0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175,                  192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color:                  rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);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                  justify; ">The pro-gun reaction to this most                      recent slaughter by a concealed handgun permit                      holder? That's life.</p><p style="list-style-type: none;                      list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                      initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                      margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px;                      padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                      padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;                      border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;                      border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style:                      none; border-width: initial; border-color:                      initial; text-decoration: none; overflow-x:                      visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);                      text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:                      Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:                      justify; ">As pro-gun advocate Dave Workman, a                      loyal foot soldier in the pro-gun publishing and                      lobbying empire of convicted felon Alan Gottlieb <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://kuow.org/program.php?id=26924" target="_hplink" style="list-style-type: none;                        list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration:                        underline; overflow-x: visible; overflow-y:                        visible; color: rgb(0, 136, 195) !important;                        text-indent: 0px !important; outline-style:                        none; outline-width: initial; outline-color:                        initial; ">explained</a> to local NPR affiliate                      KUOW:</p>                    <blockquote style="list-style-type: none;                      list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                      initial; margin-top: 7px; margin-right: 0px;                      margin-bottom: 7px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:                      7px; padding-right: 7px; padding-bottom: 7px;                      padding-left: 7px; border-top-style: dotted;                      border-right-style: dotted; border-bottom-style:                      dotted; border-left-style: dotted; border-width:                      initial; border-color: initial; text-decoration:                      none; overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible;                      color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important;                      border-top-width: 1px; border-right-width: 1px;                      border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-width: 1px;                      border-top-color: rgb(81, 52, 32);                      border-right-color: rgb(81, 52, 32);                      border-bottom-color: rgb(81, 52, 32);                      border-left-color: rgb(81, 52, 32); font: normal                      normal normal 16px/normal Georgia, Century, Times,                      serif !important; background-color: rgb(245, 240,                      227) !important; ">"I don't know that there's                      anything you can do in these situations. We can't                      treat him like a child, he's got his own life to                      live and he can make his own mistakes no matter                      how horrific those mistakes turn out to be."</blockquote><p style="list-style-type: none;                      list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                      initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                      margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px;                      padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                      padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;                      border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;                      border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style:                      none; border-width: initial; border-color:                      initial; text-decoration: none; overflow-x:                      visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);                      text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:                      Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:                      justify; ">"Those mistakes" happen all too often.                      According to a <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm" target="_hplink" style="list-style-type: none;                        list-style-position: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0, 0, 0);                      text-indent: 0px !important; ">                      <li class="first" style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        July 2011, in Texas, Tan Do, 35, opened fire at                        his son's 11th birthday party being held at the                        Forum Roller World in Grand Prairie, Texas,                        killing the boy's mother and four members of her                        family before taking his own life.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        June 2011, in Arizona, Carey H. Dyess, 73, went                        on an hours-long shooting rampage in two                        communities, killing five before taking his own                        life.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        January 2011, in Arizona, Jared Lee Loughner,                        22, opened fire at a "Congress on Your Corner"                        constituent event held by Arizona U.S.                        Representative Gabrielle Giffords outside a                        Tucson Safeway supermarket. Loughner killed six                        people, including a federal judge and a                        nine-year-old girl, and injured 13, including                        Giffords, who was shot once the face.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        August 2010, in Connecticut, Omar Thornton, 34,                        went on a shooting rampage at the beer                        distributorship where he worked, killing eight                        co-workers before taking his own life.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        June 2010, in Florida, Gerardo Regalado, 38,                        committed <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="x-apple-data-detectors://2" x-apple-data-detectors="true">Hialeah, Florida</a>'s                         worst mass shooting: killing four women and                        wounding three others at the Yoyito                        Cafe-Restaurant.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        March 2010, in Tennessee, Michael Joe Hood, 49,                        shot and killed his sister Susan Hood Binkley,                        44, her ex-husband Dale Binkley, 42, and their                        13-year-old son Jackson Binkley.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        January 2010, in Virginia, Christopher Speight                        allegedly shot and killed eight people including                        his sister and her husband, their 15-year-old                        daughter and four-year-old son, as well as two                        teenagers aged 15 and 16.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        December 2009, in Utah, Justin Matern shot and                        killed his wife and two sons, ages six and four,                        before turning the gun on himself.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">On                        Thanksgiving Day 2009, in Florida, Paul Michael                        Merhige allegedly opened fire at his family's                        Thanksgiving dinner shooting six relatives,                        killing four. The deceased victims were his twin                        sisters (one of whom was pregnant), his                        76-year-old aunt, and a six-year-old cousin. As                        he left the scene, Merhige was quoted by one                        witness as saying, "I have been waiting 20 years                        for this."</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        November 2009, in North Carolina, William                        Maxwell shot and killed his wife Kathryn and                        their teenage children Conner and Cameron before                        killing himself.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        August 2009, in Pennsylvania, George Sodini, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="x-apple-data-detectors://3" x-apple-data-detectors="true">48, opened fire                          at an LA Fitness Center in Collier,                          Pennsylvania</a>, killing three women and                        wounding nine others before turning the gun on                        himself.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        April 2009, in Pennsylvania, white supremacist                        Richard Poplawski shot and killed police                        officers Stephen Mayhle, Paul Sciullo, and Eric                        Kelly while injuring another.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        March 2009, in Alabama, Michael McLendon, a                        self-proclaimed survivalist, killed his mother                        at their family home, beginning a shooting                        rampage that stretched across 24 miles. By the                        time McLendon took his own life in the midst of                        a police shootout at a factory where he had                        previously worked, he had shot four more                        relatives, including his 74-year-old                        grandmother, and five strangers, including the                        wife and 18-month-old daughter of a local                        sheriff's deputy.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        February 2009, in New York, Frank Garcia opened                        fire with a .40 Glock pistol in the Lakeside                        Memorial Hospital parking lot in Brockport, NY.                        He had recently been fired by the hospital. He                        shot three people there, killing two, before                        killing a married couple at their home in                        Canandaigua.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        September 2008, in Michigan, Troy Brake, 31,                        shot to death 52-year-old Sharmaine Zimmer, her                        sons, Tyler, 17, and Jeremy, 20, and beat to                        death Jeremy's girlfriend, university student                        Katherine Brown, 18.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        May 2008, in Virginia, Aaron Poseidon Jackson,                        24, shot and killed his two children,                        one-year-old Aaron Neptune Jackson and                        two-year-old Nicole Aaron Jackson, and their                        mother Latasha Nicole Thomas, before taking his                        own life.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        March 2008, in Georgia, former substitute                        teacher Charles Johnston entered Doctors                        Hospital in <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="x-apple-data-detectors://4" x-apple-data-detectors="true">Columbus,                          Georgia</a>, carrying three handguns: a .32, a                        380, and a 9mm. Johnson allegedly killed two                        people in the hospital and a victim in the                        parking lot.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        September 2007, in Florida, Guillermo Zarabozo                        and another man hired a charter boat, later                        killing the boat's crew of four. Zarabozo was                        found guilty of the four murders.</li>                      <li style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        July 2007, in Ohio, firefighter Terrance Hough                        Jr. used a 40 caliber pistol to shoot and kill                        neighbor Jacob Feichtner as well as Bruce                        Anderson and Katherine Rosby as a result of a                        dispute over fireworks the three were setting                        off on the Fourth of July. Hough also shot and                        injured two others. Hough's fellow firefighters                        described him as a "ticking time bomb that                        finally exploded."</li>                      <li class="last" style="list-style-type: disc;                        list-style-position: inside; list-style-image:                        initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                        margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 35px;                        padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                        padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 5px;                        border-top-style: none; border-right-style:                        none; border-bottom-style: none;                        border-left-style: none; border-width: initial;                        border-color: initial; text-decoration: none;                        overflow-x: visible; overflow-y: visible; color:                        rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px !important; ">In                        May 2007, in Idaho, Jason Kenneth Hamilton, a                        member of the white supremacist group Aryan                        Nation, shot and killed his wife, a police                        officer, and a church sexton, and wounded three                        others before turning the gun on himself in a                        shooting spree in Moscow, Idaho. Hamilton had a                        concealed handgun permit "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwlawenforcement.pdf" target="_hplink" style="list-style-type: none;                          list-style-position: initial;                          list-style-image: initial; margin-top: 0px;                          margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;                          margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px;                          padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;                          padding-left: 0px; border-top-style: none;                          border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style:                          none; border-left-style: none; border-width:                          initial; border-color: initial;                          text-decoration: underline; overflow-x:                          visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0,                          136, 195) !important; text-indent: 0px                          !important; outline-style: none;                          outline-width: initial; outline-color:                          initial; ">despite a [previous] domestic                          violence conviction that should have barred                          him from owning guns.</a>"</li>                    </ul><p style="list-style-type: none;                      list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                      initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                      margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px;                      padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                      padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;                      border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;                      border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style:                      none; border-width: initial; border-color:                      initial; text-decoration: none; overflow-x:                      visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);                      text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:                      Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:                      justify; ">Because most states don't release                      detailed information on crimes committed by                      concealed handgun permit holders, the incidents                      listed above are from news reports. The actual                      number of lethal non-self defense incidents                      involving private citizens legally allowed to                      carry concealed handguns is most likely far, far                      higher.</p><p style="list-style-type: none;                      list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                      initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                      margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px;                      padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                      padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;                      border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;                      border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style:                      none; border-width: initial; border-color:                      initial; text-decoration: none; overflow-x:                      visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);                      text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:                      Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:                      justify; ">And yet, according to concealed carry                      advocate Dave Workman, concealed handgun permit                      holder and mass shooter Ian Stawicki had "his own                      life to live."</p><p style="list-style-type: none;                      list-style-position: initial; list-style-image:                      initial; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;                      margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px;                      padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;                      padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;                      border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none;                      border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style:                      none; border-width: initial; border-color:                      initial; text-decoration: none; overflow-x:                      visible; overflow-y: visible; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);                      text-indent: 1.5em; font-size: 16px; font-family:                      Helvetica, sans-serif !important; text-align:                      justify; ">What about his victims and their                      families?</p>                  </div>                </div>                <div>-----------------------------------</div>              </div>              <br>              <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>              <div><br>              </div>              <div>Tom Hansen</div>              <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>              <div><br>              </div>              <div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college                students.  The college students are not very active in                local elections (thank goodness!)."</div>              <div><br>              </div>              <div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>              <div> </div>            </div>            <div><br>              On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>               wrote:<br>              <br>            </div>            <div><span></span></div>            <blockquote type="cite">              <div><span></span><br>                <span>Well, pony up your evidence.  Since we seem to be                  so focused on high visibility mass shootings, how many                  of those turned out worse because of someone with a                  CWP permit?  How many victims in such cases have been                  shot by someone with a CWP returning fire?</span><br>                <span></span><br>                <span>I'm not exactly a gun nut, by the way, I'd never                  owned a gun before a couple of years ago when I                  inherited one.  I've shot a few, mostly when I was                  younger.  I would just like to talk about this as if I                  wasn't promoting a side, but no one here has allowed                  that.  Ever since my first post where I wondered what                  would have happened in Aurora if someone had a                  concealed firearm on their person I've ran headlong                  into a wall of (paraphrasing) "a guy with a concealed                  handgun could in no way, ever, actually be helpful in                  such a situation".</span><br>                <span></span><br>                <span>Just to test my understanding, can you conceive of                  a situation involving a shooter on a killing spree                  where a responsible person with a concealed weapon                  might actually have helped things?</span><br>                <span></span><br>                <span>Paul</span><br>                <span></span><br>                <span>On 08/12/2012 09:44 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not denying anyone                    anything. It is annoying that no matter how</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>carefully I state my                    points you keep characterizing them as something</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>else -- in this case as an                    example of "rabid anti-gun rhetoric." I'm</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>not anti-gun or anti-2nd                    amendment. In fact, I've taken my son</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>shooting on several                    occasions in the past few months, with a</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>knowledgeable friend who                    has been offering gun safety lessons as well.</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't own a gun for the                    reasons I've stated: I am far more likely to</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>hurt myself or others with                    it than to help anyone. And so are you and</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>so is nearly everyone.                    That's been my only point. Start carrying a gun</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>around to "protect"                    yourself and you are FAR more likely to do harm</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>than good. Yours is a                    fear-driven attitude with absolutely no evidence</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>to support it. Statistics                    prove this, as well as the fact that you</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>can't find one single                    example of a person saving the day in a</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>(potential) spree-killing.                    Not one. Yet you continue to hold on to the</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>view that it is not a                    myth. Mine is a very simple, reasonable,</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>rational point backed by                    countless evidence. For you to turn it into</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>some type of radical view                    is egregious but I'll have to get used to it</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>since you do this all the                    time.</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:14                    AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>                     wrote:</span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span>I guess there's no point                      in looking for other examples. Pre-planned,                      well-executed mass-murders just aren't common                      enough to give you those statistics and the                      percentage of CWP holder is (I'm guessing)                      relatively small, and most of these killing sprees                      happen in gun-free zones where law-abiding permit                      holders wouldn't be armed anyway.  This NY Times                      article claims that the Aurora theater banned                      firearms (even to permit holders), which places it                      in the category of "gun-free zones" too.</span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-gun-laws-remain-lax-despite-changes-after-columbine.html?_r=1</a></span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span>If someone had you                      pinned down in a dark theater and you feared for                      your life wouldn't you want some way to defend                      yourself?  I don't get this rabid anti-gun                      rhetoric.  I notice the ban firearms policy didn't                      stop James Holmes from going on his killing spree.                      Metal detectors wouldn't have helped, either,                      because he left and came back through the exit                      doors which wouldn't have had them anyway.  Even a                      complete firearms ban country-wide wouldn't have                      helped because I doubt he would have had qualms                      about purchasing guns on the black market.  It                      might have taken him longer to prepare, is all.</span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span>Short of a 1984-esque                      society, I don't know how you could stop this kind                      of thing.  Even if they were successful, this guy                      could have done what he did with a satchel full of                      Molotov cocktails. So why not even the odds and                      allow people the option of personal defense?</span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/12/2012 07:10 AM,                      Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>But this is a case in                        which someone did not use a gun to defend</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>himself against the                        attacker. According to the Pastor, "I was up                        there</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>preaching, and I                        stepped off of there into a chair and on the                        rail</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>that went around, and                        I dove right off and grabbed the gun." The</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>Pastor had concealed                        weapons training but didn't use a gun to prevent</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>further harm.</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>Again, I have nothing                        against training, nothing against guns frankly</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>(though I think it is                        too easy to get guns in our country). My main</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>point is that guns                        usually do more harm than good. It is rare that</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>having a gun will                        actually help you and the evidence suggests that                        if</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>you own a gun you are                        far more likely to be harmed by it -- either by</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>accident or by an                        assailant taking it from you -- than you are of</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>protecting yourself in                        an Aurora type situation.</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012                        at 11:45 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>                         wrote:</span><br>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Here's one that                          happened in Boiling Springs, SC.  Some links                          to news stories</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>about it:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html">http://www.wyff4.com/Deputies-Armed-Man-Kicks-In-Church-Door-During-Service/-/9324882/10075734/-/item/1/-/jjxqgj/-/index.html</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/">http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/25/Man-with-shotgun-arrested-at-SC-church/UPI-35931332729850/</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/">http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/sheriff-concealed-weapon-saves-church-from-man-armed-with-shotgun/</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>tl;dr version:  A                          man with a CWP, armed, sees a man take a                          shotgun out of</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>the trunk of his car                          during church services.  He warns the                          congregation, and</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>locks the doors.                           The man kicks in a side door and is disarmed                          and wrestled</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>to the ground by                          parishioners and held at gunpoint by the guy                          with the</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>concealed weapons                          permit until authorities arrive.  The shotgun                          the man had</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>brought was loaded,                          and he claims he was going to kidnap the                          pastor.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know if this                          would have turned into a bloodbath if that guy                          hadn't</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>acted quickly, I                          doubt anyone does.  That's the trouble with                          this sort of</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>request as Gary                          alluded to.  We don't know that this would                          have been a</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>tragedy without his                          help, but it sure might have been one.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/11/2012 09:52                          PM, Joe Campbell wrote:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Well I can't. But                          you said it was a robbery, not a Columbine or                          Aurora type</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>situation. Certainly                          you can't be sure he didn't prevent deaths;                          can't be</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>sure their guns were                          loaded either. You just don't know. Paul was                          talking</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>about an Aurora type                          situation, where the purpose is spree killing.                          Any</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>examples of someone                          preventing that from happening with a handgun?                          Haven't</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>heard or seen of one                          yet.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at                          8:28 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>                           wrote:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>So, logically                          speaking, how can you know what was prevented?                          How can you</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>know that one of the                          bandits wouldn't have started shooting and not                          quit</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>till the incident                          had assumed tragic proportions? Were did you                          acquire this</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>awesome ability to                          determine what might and might not have been?</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>g</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Joe Campbell</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday,                          August 11, 2012 3:46 PM</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Gary Crabtree</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Paul Rumelhart ;                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:                          [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is                          Promoting . . .</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Well whether someone                          used a gun and saved the day in a case like                          Aurora is</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>either true or                          false. If true, when and where?</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>The case you have is                          different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and were</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>subsequently shot by                          an old man. Not a case of preventing violence                          by any</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>means.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>I guess your next                          suggestion is to get rid of police -- too much                          big</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>government -- and                          it's everyone for himself.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 11, 2012, at                          2:34 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>                           wrote:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>CWP holders will be                          reluctant to pipe up in as much as part of                          concealed is</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>keeping your yap                          shut and avoiding telling all of Gods creation                          that you're</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>healed. Your opinion                          is looked on with favor by some to be sure.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>A recent example of                          an armed citizen exercising his rights to good                          effect:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>To say that a guy                          with a hand gun has never prevented a massacre                          is</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>illogical in as much                          as who can say what might have happened had a                          different</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>path been followed?                          In one scenario two goblins are wounded and                          taken to</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>jail. In another, a                          dozen innocents minding their own business in                          a internet</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>café are senselessly                          murdered...film at 11:00</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>g</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Paul Rumelhart</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday,                          August 11, 2012 9:57 AM</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:                          [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is                          Promoting . . .</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes, you'd have to                          be damn sure about your line of fire.  Firing                          in the</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>middle of a frenzied                          crowd running panicked for the exits would                          surely be</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>asking for trouble.                           However, it's my understanding that for a                          while during</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>the shooting the                          shooter had complete control of the situation.                           Anyone</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>trying to leave was                          shot.  Many people were playing dead in the                          hopes they</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>would  be passed                          over.  Firing on the shooter, even if he's in                          body armor,</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>might distract him                          enough that some people might have made it to                          the exits.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Body armor doesn't                          make you invincible, depending on the armor                          and the</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>caliber of the                          weapon used you might still have made an                          impact, since he'd</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>still be hit by the                          blunt force of the bullet.  In this situation,                          though,</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>you would probably                          also have been shot dead shortly after because                          he was so</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>well prepared (vest,                          leggings, throat protector, groin protector,                          and a</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>helmet with a                          visor).  Who knows?  Telling a loved one "when                          I start</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>shooting, RUN for                          the exit and don't stop" might have worked.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Most other shootings                          like this we've heard about haven't involved                          such a</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>heavily armored                          assailant.  In fact, quite a few of them have                          taken place in</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>areas where gun use                          is often restricted, such as in schools or on                          university</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>campuses.  Harris                          and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at                          Columbine.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>A student who had                          happened to have smuggled a gun into the                          school might have</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>been able to have                          had a real impact on that event.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>An interesting thing                          to think about, in my opinion.  Apparently,                          that</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>opinion is not                          shared on this list.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>On 08/11/2012 08:13                          AM, Art Deco wrote:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>It's hard to think                          of something more foolish than someone or ones                          with a</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>hand gun in a                          disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a                          person with a</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>automatic weapon                          shielded by body armor.  How many more victims                          would be</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>added to the final                          body count?</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>Didn't something                          like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>w.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012                          at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>                           wrote:</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom,</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>While your wife if                            shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean                            come on,</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>support your                            community why don't you. :)</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Tom Hansen                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Sunil                            Ramalingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: "<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"                             <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday,                            August 10, 2012 6:47 PM</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:                            [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State                            is Promoting . .</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>You may very well                            be right, Sunil.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>It's just a habit                            I have acquired while in the service.  Trust                            those</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>around you, but                            keep your powder dry.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>I saw the poster                            at Tri-State.  And, as I've said before,                            this is the</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>first time I have                            seen such an advertisement in Moscow.  I                            checked a few</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>things out, such                            as its website, phone number, etc. etc. etc.                            (Hey, I needed</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>something to pass                            the time while my wife was shopping at                            Tri-State).</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>The more I dug,                            the more red flags I found.  The more red                            flags I found,</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>the more I dug.  I                            have so many info sources, concerning the                            NFT Academy,</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>bookmarked for                            reference I am thinking of discarding half                            of 'em.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,                            Moscow.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of                            about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.                             The college</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not                            very active in local elections (thank                            goodness!)."</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>- Dale Courtney                            (March 28, 2007)</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 10, 2012,                            at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>                             wrote:</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>I've taken such a                            class and in the past had a concealed weapon                            permit; who</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>knows, I may                            again. I don't think this class is a big                            deal.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Sunil</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug                            2012 17:41:58 -0700</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re:                            [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State                            is Promoting . .</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>The primary reason                            this caught my eye . . .</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>I have lived here                            in Moscow for just over twenty years.  The                            is the FIRST</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>time I have seen                            concealed-weapon classes openly advertised                            in town.  Couple</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>that up with the                            increasing paranoia, as a result of the                            recent instances in</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Aurora (Colorado)                            and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have                            a right to be</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>curious.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>BTW, the NFT                            Academy website has only been in existence                            since April 2012</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>and was not                            publicly released until June 12, 2012 (TWO                            MONTHS AGO).</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>I have more info                            to share, concerning the NFT Academy and its                            website, but</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>let's see where                            this thread leads.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,                            Moscow.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of                            about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.                             The college</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not                            very active in local elections (thank                            goodness!)."</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>- Dale Courtney                            (March 28, 2007)</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 10, 2012,                            at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>                             wrote:</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Something legal?                            The nerve! Next they'll be selling guns!</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Sunil</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Fri, 10 Aug                            2012 14:24:56 -0700</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject:                            [Vision2020] Look See What Tri-State is                            Promoting . . .</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Seeya round town,                            Moscow.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Tom Hansen</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>Moscow, Idaho</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>"We're a town of                            about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.                             The college</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>students are not                            very active in local elections (thank                            goodness!)."</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">       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lockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>List services made                            available by First Step Internet,</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>serving the                            communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>               <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net/</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================                             List services made</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>available by First                            Step Internet, serving the communities of                            the Palouse</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>since 1994. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.fsr.net/">http://www.fsr.net/</a>                            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite">                        <blockquote type="cite"><span>List services made                            available by First Step I</span><br>                        </blockquote>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>List services made                          available by First Step Internet,</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>serving the                          communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>               <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span>=======================================================</span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <blockquote type="cite">                  <blockquote type="cite">                    <blockquote type="cite">                      <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>                      </blockquote>                    </blockquote>                  </blockquote>                </blockquote>                <span></span><br>                <span>=======================================================</span><br>                <span>List services made available by First Step                  Internet,</span><br>                <span>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br>                <span>              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br>                <span>         <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>                <span>=======================================================</span><br>              </div>            </blockquote>          </blockquote>          <br>        </div>      </blockquote>    </blockquote>    <br>  </div>  =======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>               <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>          <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>