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Tom makes wrong assumptions about you and most everyone else? I'm shocked! ;-) I think conceal carry can be a good thing too. But unfortunately it can also be a bad thing. I'd also rather that you have the option of shooting back too. It's just tricky business to try and make and enforce laws that allow guns into the hands of responsible people and at the same time keep them out of the hands of irresponsible and violent prone kooks.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:48:51 -0700<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . . .<br><br>
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Despite Tom Hansen's assumptions, I don't really have a position
on this topic, other than the simple positions that conceal carry
can be a good thing and that someone who does so needs to be well
trained and wise in their use of a weapon.<br>
<br>
I just think it's an interesting thing to think about. What would
I do if I were in that theater and happened to have a weapon
concealed on my person? I'm still unsure about the answer to
that.<br>
<br>
I don't know that we *can* prevent things like this from happening
without becoming something as a society that we'd rather not be.
Bad things happen. Personally, I'd rather have the option of
shooting back when they do.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/11/2012 10:36 AM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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Paul,<br>
<br>
I agree with some of your position, but just packing heat in
itself isn't enough especially when you consider the 'frenzied
crowd' part of the equation where panic takes over instead of
cooler heads prevailing. You'd really need someone who was
combat trained or who had otherwise been involved in shootouts
(police officer probably) who knew how to keep calm and when the
proper time was to draw, aim, and fire to diffuse the whole
chaotic scene.<br>
<br>
Columbine, Aurora, Virginia Tech to name a few were horrific and
unexpected situations. I think it's a tough problem to try and
prevent these and / or stop them once they mayhem has started.
:(<br>
<br>
-Scott<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:57:26 -0700<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .<br>
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Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire.
Firing in the middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked
for the exits would surely be asking for trouble. However,
it's my understanding that for a while during the shooting
the shooter had complete control of the situation. Anyone
trying to leave was shot. Many people were playing dead in
the hopes they would be passed over. Firing on the
shooter, even if he's in body armor, might distract him
enough that some people might have made it to the exits.
Body armor doesn't make you invincible, depending on the
armor and the caliber of the weapon used you might still
have made an impact, since he'd still be hit by the blunt
force of the bullet. In this situation, though, you would
probably also have been shot dead shortly after because he
was so well prepared (vest, leggings, throat protector,
groin protector, and a helmet with a visor). Who knows?
Telling a loved one "when I start shooting, RUN for the exit
and don't stop" might have worked.<br>
<br>
Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't
involved such a heavily armored assailant. In fact, quite a
few of them have taken place in areas where gun use is often
restricted, such as in schools or on university campuses.
Harris and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at
Columbine. A student who had happened to have smuggled a
gun into the school might have been able to have had a real
impact on that event.<br>
<br>
An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion.
Apparently, that opinion is not shared on this list.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
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<div style="text-align:left">It's hard to think of something
more foolish than someone or ones with a hand gun in a
disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with
a automatic weapon shielded by body armor. How many more
victims would be added to the final body count?<br>
<br>
Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?<br>
<br>
w.<br>
<br>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM,
Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Tom,</span></div>
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<div><span>While your wife if shopping Tri-State,
you should be to. I mean come on, support your
community why don't you. :) </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
"<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"
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Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What
Tri-State is Promoting . . .<br>
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<div>You may very well be right, Sunil.
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<div><br>
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<div>It's just a habit I have acquired
while in the service. Trust those
around you, but keep your powder dry.</div>
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<div>I saw the poster at Tri-State.
And, as I've said before, this is the
first time I have seen such an
advertisement in Moscow. I checked a
few things out, such as its website,
phone number, etc. etc. etc. (Hey, I
needed something to pass the time
while my wife was shopping at
Tri-State).</div>
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<div>The more I dug, the more red flags
I found. The more red flags I found,
the more I dug. I have so many info
sources, concerning the NFT Academy,
bookmarked for reference I am thinking
of discarding half of 'em.</div>
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<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
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<div>"We're a town of about 23,000
with 10,000 college students. The
college students are not very active
in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
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On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil
Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="ecxim">I've taken such a
class and in the past had a
concealed weapon permit; who
knows, I may again. I don't think
this class is a big deal.<br>
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Sunil <br>
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<div class="h5">From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58
-0700<br>
To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more]
Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .<br>
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<div class="h5">
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<div style="font-size:medium">The
primary reason this caught
my eye . . .</div>
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<div style="font-size:medium">I
have lived here in Moscow
for just over twenty
years. The is the FIRST
time I have seen
concealed-weapon classes
openly advertised in town.
Couple that up with the
increasing paranoia, as a
result of the recent
instances in Aurora
(Colorado) and Milwaukee
(Wisconsin), and I feel I
have a right to be
curious.</div>
<div style="font-size:medium"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-size:medium">BTW,
the NFT Academy website
has only been in existence
since April 2012 and was
not publicly released
until June 12, 2012 (TWO
MONTHS AGO).</div>
<br>
<a href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></div>
<div>
<div>I have more info to
share, concerning the NFT
Academy and its website,
but let's see where this
thread leads.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Seeya round town,
Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
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<div>"We're a town of about
23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college
students are not very
active in local elections
(thank goodness!)."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Dale Courtney (March
28, 2007)</div>
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<div><br>
On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM,
Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5">Something
legal? The nerve! Next
they'll be selling guns!<br>
<br>
Sunil <br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
14:24:56 -0700<br>
To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: [Vision2020]
Look See What Tri-State
is Promoting . . .<br>
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Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
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