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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>So, logically speaking, how can you know
what was prevented? How can you know that one of the bandits wouldn't have
started shooting and not quit till the incident had assumed tragic proportions?
Were did you acquire this awesome ability to determine what might and might not
have been?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:46 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=godshatter@yahoo.com
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
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<DIV>Well whether someone used a gun and saved the day in a case like Aurora is
either true or false. If true, when and where? </DIV>
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<DIV>The case you have is different. Robbers who shot NO ONE and were
subsequently shot by an old man. Not a case of preventing violence by any
means.</DIV>
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<DIV>I guess your next suggestion is to get rid of police -- too much big
government -- and it's everyone for himself.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Aug 11, 2012, at 2:34 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>CWP holders will be reluctant to pipe up in as much as
part of concealed is keeping your yap shut and avoiding telling all of Gods
creation that you're healed. Your opinion is looked on with favor by some to
be sure.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>A recent example of an armed citizen exercising
his rights to good effect:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><A
title="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html
CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>To say that a guy with a hand gun has never prevented
a massacre is illogical in as much as who can say what might have happened had
a different path been followed? In one scenario two goblins are wounded and
taken to jail. In another, a dozen innocents minding their own
business in a internet café are senselessly murdered...film at
11:00</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
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href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is
Promoting . . .</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BR>Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line
of fire. Firing in the middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for
the exits would surely be asking for trouble. However, it's my
understanding that for a while during the shooting the shooter had complete
control of the situation. Anyone trying to leave was shot. Many
people were playing dead in the hopes they would be passed over.
Firing on the shooter, even if he's in body armor, might distract him enough
that some people might have made it to the exits. Body armor doesn't
make you invincible, depending on the armor and the caliber of the weapon used
you might still have made an impact, since he'd still be hit by the blunt
force of the bullet. In this situation, though, you would probably also
have been shot dead shortly after because he was so well prepared (vest,
leggings, throat protector, groin protector, and a helmet with a visor).
Who knows? Telling a loved one "when I start shooting, RUN for the exit
and don't stop" might have worked.<BR><BR>Most other shootings like this we've
heard about haven't involved such a heavily armored assailant. In fact,
quite a few of them have taken place in areas where gun use is often
restricted, such as in schools or on university campuses. Harris and
Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at Columbine. A student who had
happened to have smuggled a gun into the school might have been able to have
had a real impact on that event.<BR><BR>An interesting thing to think about,
in my opinion. Apparently, that opinion is not shared on this
list.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR>On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">It's hard to think of something more foolish
than someone or ones with a hand gun in a disorganized, panicky crowd trying
to shoot a person with a automatic weapon shielded by body armor. How
many more victims would be added to the final body count?<BR><BR>Didn't
something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?<BR><BR>w.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><SPAN>Tom,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you should be to. I mean
come on, support your comm<VAR></VAR>unity why don't you.
:) </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Donovan J. Arnold</SPAN></DIV>
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readonly=""></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Tom
Hansen <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Sunil Ramalingam <<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "<<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</A>> <BR></DIV><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
<DIV class=im><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
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<DIV>You may very well be right, Sunil. </DIV>
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<DIV>It's just a habit I have acquired while in the service. Trust
those around you, but keep your powder dry.</DIV>
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<DIV>I saw the poster at Tri-State. And, as I've said before, this
is the first time I have seen such an advertisement in Moscow. I
checked a few things out, such as its website, phone number, etc. etc.
etc. (Hey, I needed something to pass the time while my wife was shopping
at Tri-State).</DIV>
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<DIV>The more I dug, the more red flags I found. The more red flags
I found, the more I dug. I have so many info sources, concerning the
NFT Academy, bookmarked for reference I am thinking of discarding half of
'em.</DIV>
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<DIV>Seeya round town, Moscow.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
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<DIV>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
college students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</DIV>
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<DIV>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>>
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<DIV class=im>I've taken such a class and in the past had a concealed
weapon permit; who knows, I may again. I don't think this class is a big
deal.<BR><BR>Sunil <BR><BR>
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<DIV class=h5>From: <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>Date:
Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58 -0700<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] [more] Look See What Tri-State is Promoting . .
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: medium">The primary reason this caught my eye . .
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: medium">I have lived here in Moscow for just over
twenty years. The is the FIRST time I have seen concealed-weapon
classes openly advertised in town. Couple that up with the
increasing paranoia, as a result of the recent instances in Aurora
(Colorado) and Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I feel I have a right to be
curious.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: medium">BTW, the NFT Academy website has only
been in existence since April 2012 and was not publicly released until
June 12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).</DIV><BR><A
href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</A></DIV>
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<DIV>I have more info to share, concerning the NFT Academy and its
website, but let's see where this thread leads.</DIV>
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<DIV>Seeya round town, Moscow.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
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<DIV>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</DIV>
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<DIV>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>>
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<DIV class=h5>Something legal? The nerve! Next they'll be selling
guns!<BR><BR>Sunil <BR><BR>From: <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>Date: Fri, 10 Aug
2012 14:24:56 -0700<BR>To: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject:
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Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
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