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      I don't actually have one, so I can flap my gums without fear of
      self-censure :)<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
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      On 08/11/2012 02:34 PM, Gary Crabtree wrote:<br>
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      <div><font face="Calibri">CWP holders will be reluctant to pipe up
          in as much as part of concealed is keeping your yap shut and
          avoiding telling all of Gods creation that you're healed. Your
          opinion is looked on with favor by some to be sure.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Calibri">A recent example of an armed citizen
          exercising his rights to good effect:</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Calibri"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            title="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html
CTRL
            + Click to follow link"
href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</a></font></div>
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      <div><font face="Calibri">To say that a guy with a hand gun has
          never prevented a massacre is illogical in as much as who can
          say what might have happened had a different path been
          followed? In one scenario two goblins are wounded and taken to
          jail. In another, a dozen innocents minding their own business
          in a internet café are senselessly murdered...film at 11:00</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Calibri">g</font></div>
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          <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
              CTRL + Click to follow link"
              href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
          <div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:57 AM</div>
          <div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
              CTRL + Click to follow link"
              href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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          <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What
            Tri-State is Promoting . . .</div>
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        Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire.  Firing
        in the middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for the exits
        would surely be asking for trouble.  However, it's my
        understanding that for a while during the shooting the shooter
        had complete control of the situation.  Anyone trying to leave
        was shot.  Many people were playing dead in the hopes they
        would  be passed over.  Firing on the shooter, even if he's in
        body armor, might distract him enough that some people might
        have made it to the exits.  Body armor doesn't make you
        invincible, depending on the armor and the caliber of the weapon
        used you might still have made an impact, since he'd still be
        hit by the blunt force of the bullet.  In this situation,
        though, you would probably also have been shot dead shortly
        after because he was so well prepared (vest, leggings, throat
        protector, groin protector, and a helmet with a visor).  Who
        knows?  Telling a loved one "when I start shooting, RUN for the
        exit and don't stop" might have worked.<br>
        <br>
        Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't
        involved such a heavily armored assailant.  In fact, quite a few
        of them have taken place in areas where gun use is often
        restricted, such as in schools or on university campuses. 
        Harris and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at Columbine. 
        A student who had happened to have smuggled a gun into the
        school might have been able to have had a real impact on that
        event.<br>
        <br>
        An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion.  Apparently,
        that opinion is not shared on this list.<br>
        <br>
        Paul<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
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        <div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">It's hard to think of something
          more foolish than someone or ones with a hand gun in a
          disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with a
          automatic weapon shielded by body armor.  How many more
          victims would be added to the final body count?<br>
          <br>
          Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?<br>
          <br>
          w.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM,
          Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <div><span>Tom,</span></div>
                <div><span></span> </div>
                <div><span>While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you
                    should be to. I mean come on, support your comm<var></var>unity
                    why don't you. :) </span></div>
                <div><span></span> </div>
                <div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
                <div><br>
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                        <div class="im"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:
                              bold">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a
                            href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
                          <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
                          Sunil Ramalingam <<a
                            href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
                          <br>
                          <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b>
                          "<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"
                          <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
                          <br>
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                        <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
                        Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
                        <div class="im"><br>
                          <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What
                          Tri-State is Promoting . . .<br>
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                          <div class="im">
                            <div>You may very well be right, Sunil.  </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>It's just a habit I have acquired while
                              in the service.  Trust those around you,
                              but keep your powder dry.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I saw the poster at Tri-State.  And, as
                              I've said before, this is the first time I
                              have seen such an advertisement in Moscow.
                               I checked a few things out, such as its
                              website, phone number, etc. etc. etc.
                              (Hey, I needed something to pass the time
                              while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>The more I dug, the more red flags I
                              found.  The more red flags I found, the
                              more I dug.  I have so many info sources,
                              concerning the NFT Academy, bookmarked for
                              reference I am thinking of discarding half
                              of 'em.</div>
                            <div><br>
                              <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                              <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with
                                10,000 college students.  The college
                                students are not very active in local
                                elections (thank goodness!)."</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
                              <div> </div>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                              On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil
                              Ramalingam <<a
                                href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <br>
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                                <div class="im">I've taken such a class
                                  and in the past had a concealed weapon
                                  permit; who knows, I may again. I
                                  don't think this class is a big deal.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Sunil <br>
                                  <br>
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                                <div>
                                  <div class="h5">From: <a
                                      href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
                                    Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58
                                    -0700<br>
                                    To: <a
                                      href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                                      rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                                    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more]
                                    Look See What Tri-State is Promoting
                                    . . .<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
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                                  <div>
                                    <div class="h5">
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="FONT-SIZE: medium">The
                                          primary reason this caught my
                                          eye . . .</div>
                                        <div style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="FONT-SIZE: medium">I
                                          have lived here in Moscow for
                                          just over twenty years.  The
                                          is the FIRST time I have seen
                                          concealed-weapon classes
                                          openly advertised in town.
                                           Couple that up with the
                                          increasing paranoia, as a
                                          result of the recent instances
                                          in Aurora (Colorado) and
                                          Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I
                                          feel I have a right to be
                                          curious.</div>
                                        <div style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="FONT-SIZE: medium">BTW,
                                          the NFT Academy website has
                                          only been in existence since
                                          April 2012 and was not
                                          publicly released until June
                                          12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).</div>
                                        <br>
                                        <a
href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/"
                                          rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></div>
                                      <div> 
                                        <div>I have more info to share,
                                          concerning the NFT Academy and
                                          its website, but let's see
                                          where this thread leads.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                                        <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>"We're a town of about
                                          23,000 with 10,000 college
                                          students.  The college
                                          students are not very active
                                          in local elections (thank
                                          goodness!)."</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>- Dale Courtney (March 28,
                                          2007)</div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM,
                                        Sunil Ramalingam <<a
                                          href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
                                          rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">
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                                          <div class="h5">Something
                                            legal? The nerve! Next
                                            they'll be selling guns!<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Sunil <br>
                                            <br>
                                            From: <a
                                              href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
                                              rel="nofollow"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
                                            Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
                                            14:24:56 -0700<br>
                                            To: <a
                                              href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                                              rel="nofollow"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                                            Subject: [Vision2020] Look
                                            See What Tri-State is
                                            Promoting . . .<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <pre> 
 
Seeya round town, Moscow.
 
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
 
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

 
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
 
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