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I don't actually have one, so I can flap my gums without fear of
self-censure :)<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 08/11/2012 02:34 PM, Gary Crabtree wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri">CWP holders will be reluctant to pipe up
in as much as part of concealed is keeping your yap shut and
avoiding telling all of Gods creation that you're healed. Your
opinion is looked on with favor by some to be sure.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">A recent example of an armed citizen
exercising his rights to good effect:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html
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href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html">http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/71-Year-Old-Man-Shoots-Would-Be-Robbers-at-Ocala-Internet-Cafe-Authorities-162941656.html</a></font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">To say that a guy with a hand gun has
never prevented a massacre is illogical in as much as who can
say what might have happened had a different path been
followed? In one scenario two goblins are wounded and taken to
jail. In another, a dozen innocents minding their own business
in a internet café are senselessly murdered...film at 11:00</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">g</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:57 AM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What
Tri-State is Promoting . . .</div>
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Yes, you'd have to be damn sure about your line of fire. Firing
in the middle of a frenzied crowd running panicked for the exits
would surely be asking for trouble. However, it's my
understanding that for a while during the shooting the shooter
had complete control of the situation. Anyone trying to leave
was shot. Many people were playing dead in the hopes they
would be passed over. Firing on the shooter, even if he's in
body armor, might distract him enough that some people might
have made it to the exits. Body armor doesn't make you
invincible, depending on the armor and the caliber of the weapon
used you might still have made an impact, since he'd still be
hit by the blunt force of the bullet. In this situation,
though, you would probably also have been shot dead shortly
after because he was so well prepared (vest, leggings, throat
protector, groin protector, and a helmet with a visor). Who
knows? Telling a loved one "when I start shooting, RUN for the
exit and don't stop" might have worked.<br>
<br>
Most other shootings like this we've heard about haven't
involved such a heavily armored assailant. In fact, quite a few
of them have taken place in areas where gun use is often
restricted, such as in schools or on university campuses.
Harris and Kliebold wore T-shirts and cargo pants at Columbine.
A student who had happened to have smuggled a gun into the
school might have been able to have had a real impact on that
event.<br>
<br>
An interesting thing to think about, in my opinion. Apparently,
that opinion is not shared on this list.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 08/11/2012 08:13 AM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">It's hard to think of something
more foolish than someone or ones with a hand gun in a
disorganized, panicky crowd trying to shoot a person with a
automatic weapon shielded by body armor. How many more
victims would be added to the final body count?<br>
<br>
Didn't something like this happen in the Moscow Massacre?<br>
<br>
w.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 7:02 AM,
Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Tom,</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>While your wife if shopping Tri-State, you
should be to. I mean come on, support your comm<var></var>unity
why don't you. :) </span></div>
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<div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
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<div class="im"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
Sunil Ramalingam <<a
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b>
"<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>"
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, August 10, 2012 6:47 PM
<div class="im"><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] [more] Look See What
Tri-State is Promoting . . .<br>
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<div class="im">
<div>You may very well be right, Sunil. </div>
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<div>It's just a habit I have acquired while
in the service. Trust those around you,
but keep your powder dry.</div>
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<div>I saw the poster at Tri-State. And, as
I've said before, this is the first time I
have seen such an advertisement in Moscow.
I checked a few things out, such as its
website, phone number, etc. etc. etc.
(Hey, I needed something to pass the time
while my wife was shopping at Tri-State).</div>
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<div>The more I dug, the more red flags I
found. The more red flags I found, the
more I dug. I have so many info sources,
concerning the NFT Academy, bookmarked for
reference I am thinking of discarding half
of 'em.</div>
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<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
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<div>"We're a town of about 23,000 with
10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local
elections (thank goodness!)."</div>
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<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</div>
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On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Sunil
Ramalingam <<a
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">I've taken such a class
and in the past had a concealed weapon
permit; who knows, I may again. I
don't think this class is a big deal.<br>
<br>
Sunil <br>
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<div class="h5">From: <a
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:41:58
-0700<br>
To: <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [more]
Look See What Tri-State is Promoting
. . .<br>
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<div>
<div class="h5">
<div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: medium">The
primary reason this caught my
eye . . .</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><br>
</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: medium">I
have lived here in Moscow for
just over twenty years. The
is the FIRST time I have seen
concealed-weapon classes
openly advertised in town.
Couple that up with the
increasing paranoia, as a
result of the recent instances
in Aurora (Colorado) and
Milwaukee (Wisconsin), and I
feel I have a right to be
curious.</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: medium"><br>
</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: medium">BTW,
the NFT Academy website has
only been in existence since
April 2012 and was not
publicly released until June
12, 2012 (TWO MONTHS AGO).</div>
<br>
<a
href="http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://fiddlerstudios.com/created-by-fs/announcing-the-national-firearms-training-academy-website/</a></div>
<div>
<div>I have more info to share,
concerning the NFT Academy and
its website, but let's see
where this thread leads.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
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<div>"We're a town of about
23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college
students are not very active
in local elections (thank
goodness!)."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Dale Courtney (March 28,
2007)</div>
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On Aug 10, 2012, at 3:09 PM,
Sunil Ramalingam <<a
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<div class="h5">Something
legal? The nerve! Next
they'll be selling guns!<br>
<br>
Sunil <br>
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From: <a
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
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Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012
14:24:56 -0700<br>
To: <a
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target="_blank"
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Subject: [Vision2020] Look
See What Tri-State is
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Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
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