<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Wayne,</SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto">You cannot find God by <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN>empirical</SPAN></SPAN> evidence. If you could, He would be undeniably real and all would have to bow to him. They would have no choice but to concede. Faith and our <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>existence</SPAN></SPAN> would be meaningless. <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-2><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Every person's</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> actions would all be based on fear and complete servitude. The point of existence is to believe, find and serve him, not because<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR> you have to, but because you want to. </div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I do believe that many statements about God are false, just like many statements about cars are false, don't believe me, go to a used car lot. It doesn't mean that cars are not real. People <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN>exaggerate</SPAN></SPAN>, lie, and twist everything. Why would they not do that about God too? </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><I>"The problem is basically that most of these experiences are contradictory in some way to the others. Most are very vague, ambiguous, or unidentifiable feelings."</I></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Of course people's experiences with God are going to be different. They are different because they are different people. Why tell Bob, Cindy, and Jack the same thing and give them the same words and experiences when you have three different people needing three different things? Do you give every person the exact same gift every year? Probably not. It doesn't make the gifts less important, but rather more <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>important</SPAN></SPAN> and individualized because you know each person you are giving a gift to and what they need. When all of them say they got a gift from you and someone asks each one what they got, when they got it, why they got, and how they got it, they may all give a different answer. But they will still all claim you gave them a gift. If they didn't have a physical gift to present the questioner, they could call them all liars, <SPAN style="RIGHT:
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I'm sure that some of the experiences that people have had were events that could be also explained scientifically. Just because someone had an encounter with God by fasting, low blood sugar, a blow to the head, brain cancer, or drugs, doesn't mean it would not also be a way of communicating with God. God would not be prevented from communicating with someone that had a chemically altered brain. God, or the person wishing to have an experience with God may feel required to do this for various reasons. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Did you also know that dozens of people in the Catholic Church, by a process called "<SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-3><SPAN>Slade</SPAN></SPAN> in the spirit", can have the same spiritual experiences. Now how do you explain mass hallucinations? 30 people all <SPAN id=misspell-0 class=mark>experencing</SPAN> the exact same supernatural event by coincidence? Not likely. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Further, just because you can explain how God does something doesn't make it any less of an act by God. If you learn how to make a cake the way your Mom does, it doesn't make it any less of a cake. You just have learned how that process is done. Maybe God isn't being mystical and not understandable, we are just to stupid and stubborn to listen and learn. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Finally, don't you think, if God appeared to you, you would know it was him? Don't you think every atom and fiber of your being would stand at attention and know what was <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-5><SPAN>amongst</SPAN></SPAN> them? Don't you think God would make it perfectly and <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-6><SPAN>unmistakably</SPAN></SPAN> clear it was Him in front of you if you knew you had doubts?</SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">If you do not believe in God, you must not also believe in free will and chance. The future movements of atoms would be determined at the moment time started by probabilities and <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-7><SPAN>sequences</SPAN></SPAN> of events. </SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto" id=yiv646175026>Donovan,<BR><BR>In a nutshell, there are many who claim to have experiences with various and assorted God(s) and/or Goddess(es).<BR><BR>The problem is basically that most of these experiences are contradictory in some way to the others. Most are very vague, ambiguous, or unidentifiable feelings. Some of the vivid ones are most likely hallucinations -- for example, periods of fasting can produce hallucinations of various kinds, the subject of which is usually what was generally on the mind of importance of the <SPAN id=misspell-1 class=mark>hallucinator</SPAN> just prior to the hallucination.<BR><BR>A little <SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>Googling</SPAN> can lead to much evidence about the relationship of fasting and hallucinations. A lot of it has to due with the acute shortage of glucose reaching parts of the brain.<BR><BR>I also refer you to the <I>The Varieties of Religious Experience</I> I
mentioned earlier.<BR><BR>W.<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>I think it is unfortunate that Zimmerman made those comments. No doubt they were very hurtful and not <SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>comforting</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> to a family and community dealing with this major <SPAN><SPAN>tragedy</SPAN></SPAN>. However, I don't see how this reduces the <SPAN><SPAN>possibility</SPAN></SPAN> of the <SPAN><SPAN>existence</SPAN></SPAN> of a God or Gods. It would also seem to increase the <SPAN><SPAN>possibility</SPAN></SPAN>, as all of the people in the story, having nothing much in common, indicated they believed in a God. They all came from different backgrounds, of different races, <SPAN><SPAN>faiths</SPAN></SPAN>, gender, education, and age. Not many things that are not <VAR></VAR>true can be found in every culture, age, race, time, nation, and both genders. If there is a lot of smoke everywhere, chances are there is fire somewhere. </SPAN></DIV>
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<H1>Zimmerman says he's sorry <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-3 class=mark>Trayvon</SPAN></SPAN> Martin's family had to bury their child; family calls apology insincere</H1>
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<DIV>George Zimmerman, in an interview Wednesday with Fox News' Sean <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN>, called the shooting death of unarmed teen <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-6 class=mark>Trayvon</SPAN></SPAN> Martin a "tragic situation" and "the most difficult thing I'll ever go through in my life."</DIV>
<DIV>The volunteer neighborhood watch leader spoke about details of the shooting, said he's sorry that Martin’s mother and father had to bury their child and, when asked if he regrets anything that happened that February night, he said, "No."</DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><FONT size=4><B>"I feel that it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it," Zimmerman shook his head.</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><FONT size=4><B>Martin's mother and father watched the interview and appeared on "Fox & Friends" Thursday morning. His mother and father both said Zimmerman's apology appeared insincere and were troubled that the man accused of killing their son considered it all "God’s plan."</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><FONT size=4><B>"I don't understand what he was thinking by saying it was God's plan that he murdered our child," Tracy Martin, the teen’s father said. "I really don’t understand what God he worships because it’s not the same God that I worship."</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><FONT size=4><B>Sabrina Fulton, Martin’s mother, also appeared angered by the comment.</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><FONT size=4><B>"Why would God have him kill an unarmed teenager?" she asked. "It makes no sense."</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>During the interview with <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN>, Zimmerman said he followed Martin because he looked suspicious running between houses in the rain.</DIV>
<DIV>Martin turned to confront Zimmerman and "asked me what my problem was" before the exchange escalated into violence, Zimmerman told <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN> in his first TV interview, conducted in an undisclosed location in Florida. The 28-year-old, with his attorney sitting by his side, said he reached into his pocket to find his phone to call 911 for a second time, and "I looked up and he punched me and broke my nose."</DIV>
<DIV>At one point Zimmerman said he heard Martin "telling me he’s going to kill me."</DIV>
<DIV>Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for shooting and killing 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., though he says he acted in self-defense. At first, "I didn't think I hit him," Zimmerman said, adding he only found out later that Martin had died.</DIV>
<DIV>Now he is in hiding and said he feels his life is in jeopardy, based on death threats he has received. He told Fox News that on the night of the shooting he had gone out to shop at Target -- "that's the last time I've been home."</DIV>
<DIV>The case drew intense national attention as speculation grew about the motives for the shooting, especially given that Martin was black. Zimmerman has white and Hispanic heritage.</DIV>
<DIV>He dismissed suggestions by some that he acted out of racism.</DIV>
<DIV>"I don't think it's fair that they rushed to judgment to assume that," he told Fox News.</DIV>
<DIV>Police initially declined to press charges, citing Florida's so-called "Stand Your Ground" law. But a special prosecutor who was called in to investigate concluded that the evidence didn't support Zimmerman's claims, and the murder charge was filed.</DIV>
<DIV>When asked what he would say to Martin's parents, Zimmerman said, "I would tell them that, again, I'm sorry."</DIV>
<DIV>"My wife and I don’t have any children," Zimmerman told <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN>. "I have nephews that I love more than life. I love them more than myself. And I know when they were born, it was a different unique bond and love that I have with them. And I love my children even though that they <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-10 class=mark>aren</SPAN></SPAN>’t born yet.</DIV>
<DIV>"I am sorry that they buried their child. I can’t imagine what it must feel like. I pray for them daily."</DIV>
<DIV>Zimmerman, who is free on bond in Florida while awaiting trial, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN> had spoke with Zimmerman, 28, off the record in April when he contacted <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN> against the advice of his attorneys. Both <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN> and Zimmerman denied claims that <SPAN><SPAN id=misspell-14 class=mark>Hannity</SPAN></SPAN> offered the murder suspect any financial assistance or payment.</DIV>
<DIV>The interview concluded with Zimmerman looking into the camera and saying that he wishes the night hadn't ended in Martin's death.</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">"I do want to tell everyone, my wife, my family, my parents, my grandmother, the Martins, the city of Sanford and America that I'm sorry that this happened," he said. "I hate to think that because of this incident, because my actions, it's polarized and divided American. And I'm truly sorry."</DIV><BR clear=all></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>-- <BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</A><BR><BR><IMG src="http://users.moscow.com/waf/WP%20Fox%2001.jpg"><BR><BR></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
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