<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>God can do anything. If what is right and what is wrong were defined by him, he could redefine things at will and make it wrong to eat toast and right to rob and steal. Does that make sense to you? Not too me. This view -- the divine command view -- makes morality relative just like the the majority opinion view. <br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">By definition, it is not possible to live a moral life and denounce God. There is no absolute definition of right or wrong in any situation without a God to define it or regard it as such. All actions would be <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-0"><span>amoral</span></span> with positive or negative <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-1"><span>consequences</span></span> depending on the person and their individual perspective. At best, right and wrong would be defined by the majority or people. Since most people consider denouncing the <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-2"><span>existence</span></span> of God, and preaching against him as immoral, an <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-3"><span>atheist</span></span> would not be moral or living a moral life.
An <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-4"><span>atheist</span></span> could live a life which they had more of a <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-5"><span>positive</span></span> impact on people than a negative. </span></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Regarding <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-0"><span>Einstein</span></span>, he believed in God. He belonged to the Jewish <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-1"><span>religion</span></span>. If he did not, he along with many other notable and talented <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-2"><span style="RIGHT: auto">scientists</span></span> would have remained in Germany. If that <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-3"><span>occurred</span></span>, Germany would have developed the nuclear bomb along with their rocket instead of the US. That is an example of where the world is better off because of religion. </span></div>
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<div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class="hr" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Chasuk <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>>; viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:06 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence<br></font></div><br>Speaking as an atheist, I don't need belief in God or gods to live a moral life.<br><br>Atheism is the lack of belief in deity,
nothing more, nothing less.<br><br>As for the Einstein quote, Einstein also wrote this:<br><br>"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product<br>of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">honourable</span>, but still<br>primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No<br>interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."<br><br>And of his own Jewishness he wrote:<br><br>"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the<br>most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly<br>belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no<br>different quality for me than all other people. As far as my<br>experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although<br>they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power.<br>Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."<br><br>Chas<br><br>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:51
PM, Donovan Arnold<br><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> "Some beliefs provide motivation to fly jets into tall buildings, and some<br>> convince parents to withhold medication to sick children. Some beliefs<br>> promote misogyny, racism, and homophobia."<br>><br>> And atheism teaches us none of it is wrong, as there is no God, just<br>> science.<br>><br>> "Science without religion is lame"--Albert Einstein.<br>><br>> Donovan J. Arnold<br>><br>> From: Chasuk <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br>> Cc: viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:28 PM<br>><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence<br>><br>> There are not 7 billion different belief systems, or anywhere near<br>> that number. At best, there are a half dozen, regurgitated and<br>> recapitulated into a fistful of semi-unique varieties. And some<br>> beliefs are harmful. Some beliefs provide motivation to fly jets into<br>> tall buildings, and some convince parents to withhold medication to<br>> sick children. Some beliefs promote misogyny, racism, and homophobia.<br>> Not all beliefs are equal.<br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Palouse</span> since 1994.<br>> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>> <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<br>><br>><br><br><br></div></div><var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></body></html>