<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Haven't; would. Joe<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Joe,</span></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Have you ever preformed a gay wedding? C<var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>an you, and would you? In the State of Washington same sex <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-0"><span>marriage</span></span> is now legal. </span></div>
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<div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class="hr" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<br></font></div><br>Of all the things I've ever done in my life, performing weddings is<br>the one thing I feel most comfortable doing. I'm not sure why but it<br>always gives
me a focus that I can't sustain in any other endeavor,<br>even teaching (the second best thing I do). And all the weddings I've<br>done so far were of the ho-hum variety. In spite of my recent<br>experience, I still believe in the sacred sanctity of marriage as a<br>blessed union of two becoming one. So feel free to pass my name and<br>email along!<br><br>I've overstayed my welcome, so I'm off for the evening. I won't post<br>when school starts and I'm thankful for this indulgence.<br><br>Best, Joe<br><br>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> I might have a job for you Joe. My brother-in-law is getting married in<br>> September in <span id="misspell-1" class="mark">Lewiston</span> and his fiance just posted this on <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">Facebook</span> 8 hours<br>> ago:<br>><br>> Well
everything is coming along good for the wedding, but we need to find<br>> someone to marry us. Does anyone know a anyone we could ask, we <span id="misspell-3" class="mark">arent</span> apart<br>> of any church, but i <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">dont</span> know any ministers or pastors that will do it<br>> without being part of the church, we are will pay. Any suggestions? Thanks<br>> in advance!<br>><br>> Like · Dislike · · 8 hours ago via mobile ·<br>><br>><br>> Note that this is a ho-hum opposite sex wedding. I was really hoping that<br>> they would move their wedding later out in the month to Saturday September<br>> 22 at night so I could catch the Idaho / Wyoming football game when I come<br>> to town. But the two of them tend to not give me the time of day, so I<br>> think they're just going to do what's in their own selfish interest. :)<br>><br>> -Scott<br>><br>><br>>> Date:
Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:52:20 -0700<br>><br>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<br>>> From: <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>>> To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>>> CC: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>><br>>><br>>> Good post. I'm sorry but I'm in a "philosophical" mood, so I've got to<br>>> challenge everything.<br>>><br>>> Is there anyone who thinks that "churches should be forced to perform<br>>> same sex weddings against their beliefs"? Suppose you want to get<br>>> married by a Catholic priest. I image that one might accommodate
you.<br>>> But does that force anything upon the Catholic Church?<br>>><br>>> As I said, I have performed marriages and I'm willing to do it again<br>>> (just contact me if you're interested). And if you'd like a religious<br>>> ceremony, I can accommodate. But I'd hate to think that by doing so,<br>>> I'd be forcing any particular church to do anything; I'd hate to think<br>>> that my actions had anything to do with any particular church at all,<br>>> even the church of which I am (through my <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">online</span> degree) a minister.<br>>> Joe<br>>><br>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>> > Thanks for the response anyway Paul - I was really hoping you could just<br>>> > try<br>>> >
your best to take the indefensible side of keeping same sex marriage<br>>> > bans in<br>>> > place. I've racked my brain trying to think of even a single solitary -<br>>> > even a stretch - of a reason to continue denying same sex couples and<br>>> > families with same sex parents equal rights / benefits / protections of<br>>> > married couples and I continue to just come up blank so I'm disappointed<br>>> > that no one could step forward and enlighten me.<br>>> ><br>>> > In short, can anyone explain why same couples don't deserve to be as<br>>> > equally<br>>> > miserable as married couples? Also, for folks who are bent out of shape<br>>> > about homo sex, the best way to get people to completely stop having sex<br>>> > would be to encourage them to get married. Thus, same sex marriage is a<br>>> > win<br>>> > for everyone
although I don't believe that churches should be forced to<br>>> > perform same sex weddings against their beliefs.<br>>> ><br>>> > -Scott<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ________________________________<br>>> > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:22:20 -0700<br>>> > From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>>> > To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>>> > CC: <a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<br>>> ><br>>> > On 07/15/2012 06:28 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > Paul /
Gary - can either of you give it a shot at playing devil's<br>>> > advocate?<br>>> > And by that, I mean a good shot, not just some half <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">assed</span>, weak,<br>>> > grasping at<br>>> > straws attempt.<br>>> ><br>>> > -Scott<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > I really can't. If I had to attack gay marriage, I would do it by<br>>> > attacking<br>>> > the very concept of marriage as a whole. It's a religious institution<br>>> > that<br>>> > has no place in a presumed secular society. It's formed straight out of<br>>> > tradition, and the world has moved on. Every secular benefit given to<br>>> > married couples should be individually scrutinized in order to determine<br>>> > if<br>>> > it could in fact be given out to others as well as married couples. Why<br>>> > shouldn't
your best friend be able to make medical decisions on your<br>>> > behalf<br>>> > if you are incapacitated, if it's been setup that way before-hand? Why<br>>> > shouldn't any number of people be able to sign up to jointly care for a<br>>> > child, receiving tax benefits in exchange? And so on.<br>>> ><br>>> > Gay marriages would be just as wrong as... non-gay marriages.<br>>> ><br>>> > Paul<br>>> ><br>>> > ________________________________<br>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:46:06 -0700<br>>> > From: <a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</a><br>>> > To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<br>>> ><br>>> > On 7/15/2012 4:37 AM, Donovan Arnold
wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > Sorry, Ken, but that is one of the silliest arguments I have heard.<br>>> > Marriage<br>>> > has nothing to do with if people have children or not.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people have<br>>> > social<br>>> > permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such permission is<br>>> > not<br>>> > granted to individuals within that relationship.<br>>> ><br>>> > You can be married and have no children and be not married and have 10<br>>> > children.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Of course. Physical biology is not prevented by marriage or its absence.<br>>> ><br>>> > Many same sex couples can, do, will, and want to have children, and make<br>>> > damn good parents too.<br>>> ><br>>>
><br>>> > Likewise true.<br>>> ><br>>> > It is actually easier to have more children if you are NOT in a<br>>> > monogamous<br>>> > relationship for both genders.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > If a person lacks a spouse who would disapprove of extramarital<br>>> > sexuality,<br>>> > and if that person cares not whether pregnancy results from personal<br>>> > sexual<br>>> > activity, then more children may result.<br>>> ><br>>> > A man is more able to impregnate more women, and a woman would be more<br>>> > likely to get pregnant with more men.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Marriage may have a counter-intuitive prophylactic effect as a result of<br>>> > each partner encouraging more responsibility from the other without<br>>> > regard<br>>> > to partner gender.<br>>>
><br>>> > More irresponsible, less thoughtful, people may cause more pregnancies<br>>> > without regard to partner gender if they are not monogamous. If they are<br>>> > monogamous fewer pregnancies will result within same-sex couples,<br>>> > whether or<br>>> > not they are married.<br>>> ><br>>> > People should not, or be socially engineered to marry a person of a<br>>> > gender<br>>> > they are not attracted to, that is unfair to one or both of them.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > I am not suggesting unwanted marriage. Remaining single is just as<br>>> > available<br>>> > an option.<br>>> ><br>>> > As well as others that could be deprived of their true affections and<br>>> > love.<br>>> ><br>>> > Marriage should ALWAYS be about two consenting adults who love each<br>>> >
other.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries<br>>> > marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social<br>>> > practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal burdens<br>>> > of<br>>> > overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal preferences<br>>> > for<br>>> > multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing, and many facets of<br>>> > more<br>>> > efficient societal use of many limited resources.<br>>> ><br>>> > And nothing else. People deserve nothing less.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Whether or not our current mixture of preferences will survive<br>>> > increasing<br>>> > population pressures is both uncertain and unlikely.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Ken<br>>>
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