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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Have you ever preformed a gay wedding? C<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>an you, and would you? In the State of Washington same sex <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN>marriage</SPAN></SPAN> is now legal. </SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>Of all the things I've ever done in my life, performing weddings is<BR>the one thing I feel most comfortable doing. I'm not sure why but it<BR>always gives
me a focus that I can't sustain in any other endeavor,<BR>even teaching (the second best thing I do). And all the weddings I've<BR>done so far were of the ho-hum variety. In spite of my recent<BR>experience, I still believe in the sacred sanctity of marriage as a<BR>blessed union of two becoming one. So feel free to pass my name and<BR>email along!<BR><BR>I've overstayed my welcome, so I'm off for the evening. I won't post<BR>when school starts and I'm thankful for this indulgence.<BR><BR>Best, Joe<BR><BR>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Scott Dredge <<A href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> I might have a job for you Joe. My brother-in-law is getting married in<BR>> September in <SPAN id=misspell-1 class=mark>Lewiston</SPAN> and his fiance just posted this on <SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>Facebook</SPAN> 8 hours<BR>> ago:<BR>><BR>> Well
everything is coming along good for the wedding, but we need to find<BR>> someone to marry us. Does anyone know a anyone we could ask, we <SPAN id=misspell-3 class=mark>arent</SPAN> apart<BR>> of any church, but i <SPAN id=misspell-4 class=mark>dont</SPAN> know any ministers or pastors that will do it<BR>> without being part of the church, we are will pay. Any suggestions? Thanks<BR>> in advance!<BR>><BR>> Like · Dislike · · 8 hours ago via mobile ·<BR>><BR>><BR>> Note that this is a ho-hum opposite sex wedding. I was really hoping that<BR>> they would move their wedding later out in the month to Saturday September<BR>> 22 at night so I could catch the Idaho / Wyoming football game when I come<BR>> to town. But the two of them tend to not give me the time of day, so I<BR>> think they're just going to do what's in their own selfish interest. :)<BR>><BR>> -Scott<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Date:
Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:52:20 -0700<BR>><BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<BR>>> From: <A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A><BR>>> To: <A href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</A><BR>>> CC: <A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>; <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>><BR>>><BR>>> Good post. I'm sorry but I'm in a "philosophical" mood, so I've got to<BR>>> challenge everything.<BR>>><BR>>> Is there anyone who thinks that "churches should be forced to perform<BR>>> same sex weddings against their beliefs"? Suppose you want to get<BR>>> married by a Catholic priest. I image that one might accommodate
you.<BR>>> But does that force anything upon the Catholic Church?<BR>>><BR>>> As I said, I have performed marriages and I'm willing to do it again<BR>>> (just contact me if you're interested). And if you'd like a religious<BR>>> ceremony, I can accommodate. But I'd hate to think that by doing so,<BR>>> I'd be forcing any particular church to do anything; I'd hate to think<BR>>> that my actions had anything to do with any particular church at all,<BR>>> even the church of which I am (through my <SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>online</SPAN> degree) a minister.<BR>>> Joe<BR>>><BR>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Scott Dredge <<A href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>> wrote:<BR>>> > Thanks for the response anyway Paul - I was really hoping you could just<BR>>> > try<BR>>> >
your best to take the indefensible side of keeping same sex marriage<BR>>> > bans in<BR>>> > place. I've racked my brain trying to think of even a single solitary -<BR>>> > even a stretch - of a reason to continue denying same sex couples and<BR>>> > families with same sex parents equal rights / benefits / protections of<BR>>> > married couples and I continue to just come up blank so I'm disappointed<BR>>> > that no one could step forward and enlighten me.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > In short, can anyone explain why same couples don't deserve to be as<BR>>> > equally<BR>>> > miserable as married couples? Also, for folks who are bent out of shape<BR>>> > about homo sex, the best way to get people to completely stop having sex<BR>>> > would be to encourage them to get married. Thus, same sex marriage is a<BR>>> > win<BR>>> > for everyone
although I don't believe that churches should be forced to<BR>>> > perform same sex weddings against their beliefs.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -Scott<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > ________________________________<BR>>> > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:22:20 -0700<BR>>> > From: <A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>>> > To: <A href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</A><BR>>> > CC: <A href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</A>; <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<BR>>> ><BR>>> > On 07/15/2012 06:28 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Paul /
Gary - can either of you give it a shot at playing devil's<BR>>> > advocate?<BR>>> > And by that, I mean a good shot, not just some half <SPAN id=misspell-6 class=mark>assed</SPAN>, weak,<BR>>> > grasping at<BR>>> > straws attempt.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > -Scott<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > I really can't. If I had to attack gay marriage, I would do it by<BR>>> > attacking<BR>>> > the very concept of marriage as a whole. It's a religious institution<BR>>> > that<BR>>> > has no place in a presumed secular society. It's formed straight out of<BR>>> > tradition, and the world has moved on. Every secular benefit given to<BR>>> > married couples should be individually scrutinized in order to determine<BR>>> > if<BR>>> > it could in fact be given out to others as well as married couples. Why<BR>>> > shouldn't
your best friend be able to make medical decisions on your<BR>>> > behalf<BR>>> > if you are incapacitated, if it's been setup that way before-hand? Why<BR>>> > shouldn't any number of people be able to sign up to jointly care for a<BR>>> > child, receiving tax benefits in exchange? And so on.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Gay marriages would be just as wrong as... non-gay marriages.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Paul<BR>>> ><BR>>> > ________________________________<BR>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:46:06 -0700<BR>>> > From: <A href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</A><BR>>> > To: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage<BR>>> ><BR>>> > On 7/15/2012 4:37 AM, Donovan Arnold
wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Sorry, Ken, but that is one of the silliest arguments I have heard.<BR>>> > Marriage<BR>>> > has nothing to do with if people have children or not.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people have<BR>>> > social<BR>>> > permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such permission is<BR>>> > not<BR>>> > granted to individuals within that relationship.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > You can be married and have no children and be not married and have 10<BR>>> > children.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Of course. Physical biology is not prevented by marriage or its absence.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Many same sex couples can, do, will, and want to have children, and make<BR>>> > damn good parents too.<BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>> > Likewise true.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > It is actually easier to have more children if you are NOT in a<BR>>> > monogamous<BR>>> > relationship for both genders.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > If a person lacks a spouse who would disapprove of extramarital<BR>>> > sexuality,<BR>>> > and if that person cares not whether pregnancy results from personal<BR>>> > sexual<BR>>> > activity, then more children may result.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > A man is more able to impregnate more women, and a woman would be more<BR>>> > likely to get pregnant with more men.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Marriage may have a counter-intuitive prophylactic effect as a result of<BR>>> > each partner encouraging more responsibility from the other without<BR>>> > regard<BR>>> > to partner gender.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > More irresponsible, less thoughtful, people may cause more pregnancies<BR>>> > without regard to partner gender if they are not monogamous. If they are<BR>>> > monogamous fewer pregnancies will result within same-sex couples,<BR>>> > whether or<BR>>> > not they are married.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > People should not, or be socially engineered to marry a person of a<BR>>> > gender<BR>>> > they are not attracted to, that is unfair to one or both of them.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > I am not suggesting unwanted marriage. Remaining single is just as<BR>>> > available<BR>>> > an option.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > As well as others that could be deprived of their true affections and<BR>>> > love.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Marriage should ALWAYS be about two consenting adults who love each<BR>>> >
other.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries<BR>>> > marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social<BR>>> > practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal burdens<BR>>> > of<BR>>> > overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal preferences<BR>>> > for<BR>>> > multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing, and many facets of<BR>>> > more<BR>>> > efficient societal use of many limited resources.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > And nothing else. People deserve nothing less.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Whether or not our current mixture of preferences will survive<BR>>> > increasing<BR>>> > population pressures is both uncertain and unlikely.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Ken<BR>>>
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