<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Einstein was a Spinozist, a pantheist. He did not believe in personal God, and he did not accept the divine command theory -- the view that God defined what is right and what is wrong. Joe<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">By definition, it is not possible to live a moral life and denounce God. There is no absolute definition of right or wrong in any situation without a God to define it or regard it as such. All actions would be <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-0"><span>amoral</span></span> with positive or negative <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-1"><span>consequences</span></span> depending on the person and their individual perspective. At best, right and wrong would be defined by the majority or people. Since most people consider denouncing the <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-2"><span>existence</span></span> of God, and preaching against him as immoral, an <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-3"><span>atheist</span></span> would not be moral or living a moral life.
An <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-4"><span>atheist</span></span> could live a life which they had more of a <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-5"><span>positive</span></span> impact on people than a negative. </span></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Regarding <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-0"><span>Einstein</span></span>, he believed in God. He belonged to the Jewish <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-1"><span>religion</span></span>. If he did not, he along with many other notable and talented <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-2"><span style="RIGHT: auto">scientists</span></span> would have remained in Germany. If that <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-3"><span>occurred</span></span>, Germany would have developed the nuclear bomb along with their rocket instead of the US. That is an example of where the world is better off because of religion. </span></div>
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<div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class="hr" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Chasuk <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>>; viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:06 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence<br></font></div><br>Speaking as an atheist, I don't need belief in God or gods to live a moral life.<br><br>Atheism is the lack of belief in deity,
nothing more, nothing less.<br><br>As for the Einstein quote, Einstein also wrote this:<br><br>"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product<br>of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">honourable</span>, but still<br>primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No<br>interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."<br><br>And of his own Jewishness he wrote:<br><br>"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the<br>most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly<br>belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no<br>different quality for me than all other people. As far as my<br>experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although<br>they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power.<br>Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."<br><br>Chas<br><br>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:51
PM, Donovan Arnold<br><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> "Some beliefs provide motivation to fly jets into tall buildings, and some<br>> convince parents to withhold medication to sick children. Some beliefs<br>> promote misogyny, racism, and homophobia."<br>><br>> And atheism teaches us none of it is wrong, as there is no God, just<br>> science.<br>><br>> "Science without religion is lame"--Albert Einstein.<br>><br>> Donovan J. Arnold<br>><br>> From: Chasuk <<a href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">chasuk@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>><br>> Cc: viz <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:28 PM<br>><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] About Evidence<br>><br>> There are not 7 billion different belief systems, or anywhere near<br>> that number. At best, there are a half dozen, regurgitated and<br>> recapitulated into a fistful of semi-unique varieties. And some<br>> beliefs are harmful. Some beliefs provide motivation to fly jets into<br>> tall buildings, and some convince parents to withhold medication to<br>> sick children. Some beliefs promote misogyny, racism, and homophobia.<br>> Not all beliefs are equal.<br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Palouse</span> since 1994.<br>> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>> <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<br>><br>><br><br><br></div></div><var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></body></html>