<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Or . . .</div><div><br></div><div>If you are a pedophile you can marry and procreate your own "pleasure" . . . all with the blessings and active support of a local "church". Huh, Mr. Sitler and un-pastor Wilson?<br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 15, 2012, at 10:46, Kenneth Marcy <<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/15/2012 4:37 AM, Donovan Arnold
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
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255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Sorry, Ken,
but that is one of the silliest arguments I have heard.
Marriage has nothing to do with if people have children or
not.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people
have social permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such
permission is not granted to individuals within that relationship.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
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255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">You can be
married and have no children and be not married and have 10
children.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Of course. Physical biology is not prevented by marriage or its
absence.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
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255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">Many same sex
couples can, do, will, and want to have children, and make
damn good parents too. </span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Likewise true.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">It is
actually easier to have more children if you are NOT in a
monogamous relationship for both genders.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
If a person lacks a spouse who would disapprove of extramarital
sexuality, and if that person cares not whether pregnancy results
from personal sexual activity, then more children may result.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
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255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">A man is more
able to impregnate more women, and a woman would be more
likely to get <span style="RIGHT: auto" id="misspell-0"><span>pregnant</span></span>
with more men.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Marriage may have a counter-intuitive prophylactic effect as a
result of each partner encouraging more responsibility from the
other without regard to partner gender.<br>
<br>
More irresponsible, less thoughtful, people may cause more
pregnancies without regard to partner gender if they are not
monogamous. If they are monogamous fewer pregnancies will result
within same-sex couples, whether or not they are married.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">People
should not, or be socially engineered to marry a person of a
gender they are not attracted to, that is unfair to one or
both of them.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
I am not suggesting unwanted marriage. Remaining single is just as
available an option.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">As well
as others that could be deprived of their true affections
and love. </span></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">Marriage
should ALWAYS be about two consenting adults who love each
other.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries
marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social
practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal
burdens of overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal
preferences for multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing,
and many facets of more efficient societal use of many limited
resources.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1342352271.4452.YahooMailNeo@web121803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" type="cite">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">And nothing
else. People deserve nothing less.</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Whether or not our current mixture of preferences will survive
increasing population pressures is both uncertain and unlikely.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ken<br>
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