<div>You may have hit the trifecta.</div><div><br>You may be right that there was a quilt on display prior to what is there currently. I am in and out of the courthouse relatively frequently and really only pay attention to the case when it contains something that catches my eye or piques my interest. WW II, Civil War, local history, etc. most definitely do, quilts on the other hand might as well be invisible for all the attention I'll pay.</div>
<div> </div><div>I think you're also correct about the box. I seem to recall some sort of food or clothing drive being active in the last few months. I know for sure it's not the unserviceable flag drop off as that is located in a different area of the courthouse.</div>
<div> </div><div>Lastly, you are right about Andersonville. It was bad. So was Camp Douglas, Elmira Prison, and Fort Delaware. Neither side held a monopoly on misery.</div><div> </div><div>g<br>
</div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Saundra Lund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hi Wayne et al,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hmmm . . . perhaps you can help me to understand.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">First, though, can you please tell us more about the display? I had hoped to make it to the courthouse yesterday to take a look myself, but I left Tri-State at something like 4:59, so clearly I wasn’t going to make it. What was the veteran’s name? And, what’s the justification/rationale for displaying the Confederate flag for a Union soldier? I hope you & Gary will please tell us more about what you learned from the display.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Gary, I also have to disagree with you that the display has been there for “months,” having been preceded by a WWII display. I was in the courthouse in May IIRC, and I’m pretty darn sure there was a lovely quilt on display at that time – IIRC, each square was made by county assessor offices around the state. The quilt was being raffled off, and I meant to make it back to buy some tickets, but the best laid plans . . . In any case, I think you’re wrong, and I hope it’s a genuine error on your part rather than propaganda. While my recollection of time can be hazy, I’d not mistake less than two weeks for “months.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Janesta: perhaps Wayne or Gary can clarify since both have been to the courthouse more recently than have I, but IIRC, the pink box is for donations of some sort – perhaps canned goods? Can anyone clarify? I will say that I think the US & ID flags were in the same location back in May, which is another issue.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Donovan: as some know, I was born & (mostly) raised in the South, and I still visit family & friends there. My experience has been completely different than Donovan’s: growing up, I <b><u>didn’t</u></b> see many Confederate flags on display there, and I still don’t. Indeed, while not making disparaging comments about family who were raised & came of age in a different generation (and many of whom have, no doubt, rolled over in their graves more than once at my beliefs), I was taught from a very young age to “stay away” from that nonsense because it was anti-American (perhaps the origins of the original “America: love it or leave it” sentiment?) & because those who persisted in Confederate flag divisiveness (and make no mistake about it, that’s <b>exactly</b> what it is) were a bunch of “d*mn fools,” according to my granddaddy. I’m older than Donovan, and I didn’t live in VA, but my roots are in the South, and the above upbringing was from the three generations before me. Which is just to say that Donovan’s experiences certainly don’t mirror my own, those I grew up with, and those I continue to visit; not that I doubt Donovan’s experience.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Going back to Wayne: since you think this issue is a tempest in a tea pot, please help me to understand. What on <b>earth</b> is the relevance of displaying a <b>Confederate</b> flag in a display about a <b>Union</b> soldier imprisoned in Andersonville?! You’ve got a military background, so let’s use a hypothetical. Let’s pretend you served our nation in the Vietnam War and were taken captive. Let’s further pretend that you survived captivity in horrendous conditions by the North Vietnamese, and lived out the rest of your life in Latah County. And, let’s further pretend that at some point after your death, whoever is responsible for the displays at the courthouse decided to tell your story, complete with the flag of your captors, but conspicuously absent was the US flag, the nation you were defending.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Do you seriously mean to tell me you think that would be just peachy fine?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Let’s take this further. Gary informs us that there was an “educational” WWII display between the quilt I saw in May & the current display. As some may – or may not – know, we have Holocaust survivors in Latah County, and we have survivors of survivors of the Holocaust here. Were any of those survivors to be “honored” by a courthouse display, would you think it appropriate to display the Nazi flag and/or the Gestapo flag as a part of the display? Silly me – were I a Holocaust survivor, the <b>absolutely last</b> thing I’d want displayed in honor of my experiences is the flag of my captors.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Finally, am I the only one who finds it beyond odd that a Confederate flag was at the ready to “honor” a <b>Union</b> POW? Wouldn’t it have made far more sense to display a flag that meant something positive to the deceased rather than to use his story as an excuse to display the flag of his captors?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">In any case, I find the cultural tone deafness of the person or persons responsible for allowing the display absolutely stunning, and I find a Confederate flag displayed in the Courthouse indefensible, particularly in this instance where the display is apparently to honor & tell the story of a <b>Union</b> soldier who was tortured (and there’s no other way to describe Andersonville) by the Confederacy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">For shame, For Shame, FOR SHAME!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Saundra Lund<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Moscow, ID<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.<u></u><u></u></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Price<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Cc:</b> viz; <a href="mailto:Spettersen@latah.id.us" target="_blank">Spettersen@latah.id.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Moles and Mole Hills<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Vision 2020 readers.....<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I've been following this discussion since it started this morning, and decided that before I wrote anything, I'd go up and take a look at the historic display in question to see for myself what all the fuss is about and if it's a substantial issue. I took a look, and it is, in my opinion, a tempest in a tea pot!<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The focus of the display is primarily about a UNION CIVIL WAR officer that was captured by the Confederates and held at Andersonville Prison during the Civil War! The Confederate flag <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">is, again in my opinion, incidental to the story of someone buried in Latah County and is a war veteran. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
Much ado about NOTHING <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Wayne M. Price<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 12, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Sue Hovey wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi everybody I just talked with Jennifer Barrett. Haven't seen Tom's pictures but she thought it was part of a historical display about certain battles. She thinks the Historical Society is responsible for the maintenance of the case. If it's a historical display from the 1860s the Confederate flag may be perfectly appropriate to the display. <br>
<br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><br>On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:54 PM, "Rosemary Huskey" <<a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hi guys,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I called the courthouse – thanks for the photos, Tom. I spoke to the auditor’s office where I had hoped to reach Susan Petersen. Ms. Petersen, who is out of the office is in sole charge of the display case. No one else appears to know who or what group is responsible for the display. I encourage all V2020 subscribers who share our concern about what is clearly a celebration of the Confederacy lodge a complaint or query (or, if you are a jackass a pat on the back) to Susan at :</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:Spettersen@latah.id.us" target="_blank">Spettersen@latah.id.us</a> . I also think a conversation with your country commissioner representative is in order. Unfortunately they are not answering their central phone line at the moment. They can be reached:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Commissioners:<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><b>Jennifer Barrett</b>, Chair, <b>District I</b>, jbarrett<image001.gif> <u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal">
<b>Tom Stroschein</b>, <b>District II</b>, tstroschein<image001.gif> <br><b>Dave McGraw</b>, <b>District III</b>, dmcgraw<image001.gif> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">If you don’t know your District, send the message to Ms. Barrett.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Rose Huskey</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Dredge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>; viz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Welcome to Confederate Latah County . . .</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Tom,<br><br>Was there any information regarding this display. Something like 'Donated by [insert church name of your choosing] to commemorate the greatest civilization in the history of the world where slaves and their owners shared genuine affection for each other and made God smile'?<br>
<br>-Scott</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:17:45 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: [Vision2020] Welcome to Confederate Latah County . . .</span><u></u><u></u></p><pre>
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