<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>It depends. If one mechanic looked it over and said it was the spark plug and ninety-eight others said it was the spark plug because they trust the first guy, and the one-hundredth mechanic took a closer look and thinks it's the spark plug wire instead and has some valid reasons as to why then maybe I would go with the odd-guy-out. Consensus is a political argument. This analogy fails, anyway, because any one of the 100 mechanics could replace the spark plug and find out for sure. Climate science isn't so cut-and-dry.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Paul<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font
face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com>; Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 4, 2012 10:30 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Institute for Public Accuracy: "Media Miss the Forest for the Burning Trees"<br> </font> </div> <br>
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<div style=""><span style="">You are<var id="yiv262661708yui-ie-cursor"></var> not a logical or <span style="" id="yiv262661708misspell-0"><span>rational</span></span> person. If 99 out of a 100 mechanics tell you that your car won't start because of a spark plug, do you argue they are all wrong because they don't know everything about your car? </span></div>
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<div style=""><span style=""></span>Why behave any less <span style="" id="yiv262661708misspell-0"><span>rationally</span></span> when it comes to experts and your planet?</div>
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<div style="BORDER-BOTTOM:#ccc 1px solid;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;LINE-HEIGHT:0;MARGIN:5px 0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;HEIGHT:0px;FONT-SIZE:0px;BORDER-TOP:#ccc 1px solid;BORDER-RIGHT:#ccc 1px solid;PADDING-TOP:0px;" class="yiv262661708hr"></div><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:16 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Institute for Public Accuracy: "Media Miss the Forest for the Burning Trees"<br></font></div><br>On 07/03/2012 05:42 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>> So, Paul, why believe that smoking
causes lung disease if you don't<br>> believe that human carbon consumption has an impact on global warming?<br>> <br>> Joe<br><br>First, I'm not saying that carbon consumption is not having an impact on global warming. I'm saying that the size of the impacts compared to the more-or-less unknown natural factors is unknown and that the <span id="yiv262661708misspell-2" class="yiv262661708mark">feedbacks</span> from warming in general are unknown, among other things.<br><br>There are plenty of reasons, both scientific and not, that make me skeptical of global warming. Although everyone will assume I'm just grasping at straws because of my deep-seated urge to deny everything (probably has to do with my relationship with my mother), I humbly present a smattering of them for your enjoyment:<br><br>1. On the face of it, the idea is extraordinary. Humans, even with our vaunted civilization, are small potatoes compared to the
forces of nature. The
only reason our carbon footprint even makes a dent compared to natural forces has to do with the small amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. We've had far less of an impact on the water cycle, for example, or with oxygen levels. Not saying that it isn't possible, but there is automatically a bar that has to be gotten over which smoking causing lung disease doesn't have. It should be common sense that inhaling smoke multiple times a day for years can have a deleterious effect on the lungs, even without bringing in carcinogens.<br><br>2. There are some obvious questions that aren't being answered because of the focus on human impacts. For example, what caused the earth to heat up immediately following the Little Ice Age? If we do not know, how can we say with any confidence that human-induced climate change is to blame instead of the same natural processes still at work? What causes an ice age to start, and what brings
us out of one?<br><br>3. The climate is complex, with multiple <span id="yiv262661708misspell-3" class="yiv262661708mark">feedbacks</span> of unknown strength and unknown <span id="yiv262661708misspell-4" class="yiv262661708mark">feedbacks</span> of unknown strength. The sign of the combination of <span id="yiv262661708misspell-5" class="yiv262661708mark">feedbacks</span> isn't even known. Climate models cannot be that accurate, given the above, yet they are seen as gospel. Even when they make different assumptions and model things different ways. As long as they project a warmer future, they are added to the model average and used as proof that global warming will kill babies and cause frogs to rain from the sky.<br><br>I imagine that the mechanisms for lung disease from tobacco are relatively straight forward.<br><br>4. Some of the major players in the spotlight on the side of global warming are environmental
activists with an agenda, as opposed to being objective scientists just following the
data. For example, Timothy <span id="yiv262661708misspell-6" class="yiv262661708mark">Wirth</span> (Senator from Colorado and leader of the negotiating team for the Kyoto treaty) held a hearing on global warming at the capital. He called the Weather Bureau to find out what day of the year was usually the hottest in DC, and scheduled the hearing for that date. His team then went in the night before the hearing and opened all the windows in the room in which the hearing was to be held, causing the air conditioning to fail to keep up with the heat. All so that it could be hot and muggy when James Hansen gave his spiel about the dangers of global warming. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/interviews/wirth.html)<br><br>The anti-tobacco campaigns, with all their sheer propaganda, do seem to be run by political activists, but that may be coincidental.<br><br>5. Major climate scientists also appear to have
political agendas. Michael
Mann and his "hockey stick" come to mind, trying to erase the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age, using dubious statistics, all so they could show that current warming was "unprecedented". All this from a few <span id="yiv262661708misspell-7" class="yiv262661708mark">bristlecone</span> pine trees.<br><br>I haven't heard of any of these kinds of shenanigans from scientists studying the link between tobacco use and lung diseases, probably because the links were relatively straight forward. Not so much the case with global warming / global climate change / global climate disruption.<br><br>There are more, but that gives you the gist of it. But hey, it's just me being <span id="yiv262661708misspell-8" class="yiv262661708mark">contrarian</span>, right? So please, move along. Nothing to see here.<br><br>Paul<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step
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