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      You've spent a lot of time denigrating my character, yet I'm not
      the one posting someone's address on this list.  You've also spent
      a fair amount of time guessing my views on this subject, but have
      fallen far from the mark.  I don't have an opinion about this
      case, because it's simply a contract dispute.  You don't know who
      is right and who is wrong, and neither do I.  Nor do I really
      care.  I just don't like to see someone's address posted as a sly
      sort of "this is where he lives, if you want to talk to him, he's
      at this address".  People should be able to feel secure in their
      own homes without complete strangers confronting them about a
      private matter.  This used to be considered unethical on this
      site, but that appears to be true only when they aren't somehow
      connected to Doug.<br>
      <br>
      But, whatever.  It's been posted and the toothpaste can't be put
      back in the tube.  I'd just like to naively suggest that folks
      leave this guy in peace.  People who don't belong to this lawsuit
      don't have any reason to confront this guy, and people involved in
      this lawsuit will hopefully have been briefed by their lawyer not
      to do so.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAB8VJX5LnUB=6ZdCuixLQC6xAvRjJZKwPujSHaZinO30YCigmA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Well Paul, let's make a guess.  You have been taking
      instruction from "regular guy" (and deadbeat) Douglas Wilson
      entitled "Logic Without Imagination" or something similar.<br>
      <br>
      Just because someone would like a little face time with Hoffmann
      does not mean they want to bully him or beat him up.  Of course
      without imagination, it is difficult for you to think of other
      alternatives.  You might try it as an exercise in Non-Wilsonian
      Logic.<br>
      <br>
      Also the lack of imagination traps into restricting the interested
      parties to V2020 members.  That is not so by a long shot.  Items
      from v2020 are frequently forwarded to non-members, and in
      Hoffmann's case, probably some of this forwards go to Bend and
      Redmond, Oregon.<br>
      <br>
      You appear to have either no enterprise values and/or completely
      ignorant of the milieu of which the Germer deadbeat action is a
      bit of.  I doubt that anyone on the list wishes to take the time
      and effort to let you in on the big non-secrets given your past
      actions as an ardent apologist for Wilson.<br>
      <br>
      I had thought that we would be chastised by Gary Crabtree, But so
      far, not.  But whatever other views Crabtree may have, he is a
      believer in enterprise and a businessman who provides and warrants
      his goods and services and expects to be paid promptly for them. 
      Hence it is not unreasonable to assume that he also abhors
      deadbeats.  It is highly probable that Crabtree also knows Larry
      Germer and would not be adverse to hearing his side of the story
      directly from him.<br>
      <br>
      w.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Paul
        Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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              <div><span>Glad to hear it.  What was your intent?</span></div>
              <div><br>
                <span></span></div>
              <div><span>Paul</span></div>
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                        <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                        Moscow Cares <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com"
                          target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>><br>
                      </div>
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                      Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
                        target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
                      Art Deco <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>;
                      "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                        target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                        target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                      Monday, June 25, 2012 4:06 PM
                      <div>
                        <div class="h5"><br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer
                          Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray,
                          and Hoffman)<br>
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                    <div class="h5"> <br>
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                          <div>I really don't feel it necessary to
                            explain to Mr. Rumelhart that my intention
                            was neither bullying nor to encourage
                            physical confrontation.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>'Nuff said.<br>
                            <br>
                            <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                            <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>"If not us, who?</div>
                            <div>If not now, when?"</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>- Unknown</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                            On Jun 25, 2012, at 15:57, Paul Rumelhart
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
                              href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
                              target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <br>
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                              <div
                                style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times
                                new roman,new york,times,serif">
                                <div><span>Is that why Mr. Hansen posted
                                    his address?  So people on this list
                                    could find him and confront him
                                    physically?</span></div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <span></span></div>
                                <div><span>No thank you.</span></div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <span></span></div>
                                <div><span>Let the courts work it out
                                    and leave the 5th grade bullying
                                    behind.  It's a private matter
                                    between two companies.</span></div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <span></span></div>
                                <div><span>I swear, any mention of Doug
                                    Wilson or Christ Church and you guys
                                    leave your common sense locked in a
                                    drawer somewhere.<br>
                                  </span></div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <span></span></div>
                                <div><span>Paul<br>
                                  </span></div>
                                <div><br>
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                                        <hr size="1"> <b><span
                                            style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                                        Art Deco <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          rel="nofollow"
                                          href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                        <b><span
                                            style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          rel="nofollow"
                                          href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                                          target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
                                        <br>
                                        <b><span
                                            style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                                        Monday, June 25, 2012 3:39 PM<br>
                                        <b><span
                                            style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                                        Re: [Vision2020] Case No.
                                        CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const.,
                                        Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson,
                                        Gray, and Hoffman)<br>
                                      </font> </div>
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                                    <div>@Paul:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Sorry to report neither the world
                                      nor v2020 revolves around you. 
                                      However, there is a strong
                                      probability that a number of
                                      people or their agents would like
                                      a little face time with Hoffman.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      w.<br>
                                      <br>
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                                        On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM,
                                        Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            rel="nofollow"
                                            href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
                                            target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          <div>
                                            <div>Paul Rumelhart
                                              inquires:</div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>"<span>Now that
                                                  you've posted this
                                                  gentleman's address on
                                                  this list, what is it
                                                  that you would like me
                                                  to do with this
                                                  information?"</span></div>
                                              <div><font face="'times
                                                  new roman', 'new
                                                  york', times, serif"
                                                  size="4"><span><br>
                                                  </span></font></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><font face="'times new
                                                roman', 'new york',
                                                times, serif" size="4"><span><span>Can
                                                    I tell him what to
                                                    with it, Wayne?
                                                     Huh?  Can I?  Can
                                                    I?</span><br>
                                                </span></font>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Seeya round town,
                                                Moscow.</div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                                                <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>"If not us, who?</div>
                                                <div>If not now, when?"</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>- Unknown</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
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                                              <div><br>
                                                On Jun 25, 2012, at
                                                14:01, Paul Rumelhart
                                                <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                  rel="nofollow"
                                                  href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
                                                  target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <br>
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                                              <blockquote type="cite">Now
                                                that you've posted this
                                                gentleman's address on
                                                this list, what is it
                                                that you would like me
                                                to do with this
                                                information?</blockquote>
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