<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I was not referring to a criminal complaint.  </div><div><br></div><div>There are two litigious "roads" in the Nifty Fifty (USA); one marked "criminal" and one marked "civil".  Right, Sunil?</div><div><br></div><div>To heck with it!  I am truly beginning to tire of your 6-year-old antics of responding to every posted explanation with your infantile "why".<br><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jun 25, 2012, at 18:36, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
      I never said I thought it was illegal, just not very nice.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      On 06/25/2012 06:25 PM, Moscow Cares wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:53FDCC05-2743-4A53-B71A-F633F45A7493@moscow.com" type="cite">
      <div>Mr. Rumelhart -</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>You certainly spend an inordinate amount of time on. Topic of
        which you claim that you have no interest.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Furthermore, and FINALLY, if you feel that I am invading
        somebody's privacy, I suggest that you grow the proverbial
        "pair" and file a complaint.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>'Till then, I suggest you buckle up and hold on . . . <br>
        <br>
        <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Tom Hansen</div>
        <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>"If not us, who?</div>
        <div>If not now, when?"</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>- Unknown</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        On Jun 25, 2012, at 18:01, Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>>
        wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
            You've spent a lot of time denigrating my character, yet I'm
            not the one posting someone's address on this list.  You've
            also spent a fair amount of time guessing my views on this
            subject, but have fallen far from the mark.  I don't have an
            opinion about this case, because it's simply a contract
            dispute.  You don't know who is right and who is wrong, and
            neither do I.  Nor do I really care.  I just don't like to
            see someone's address posted as a sly sort of "this is where
            he lives, if you want to talk to him, he's at this
            address".  People should be able to feel secure in their own
            homes without complete strangers confronting them about a
            private matter.  This used to be considered unethical on
            this site, but that appears to be true only when they aren't
            somehow connected to Doug.<br>
            <br>
            But, whatever.  It's been posted and the toothpaste can't be
            put back in the tube.  I'd just like to naively suggest that
            folks leave this guy in peace.  People who don't belong to
            this lawsuit don't have any reason to confront this guy, and
            people involved in this lawsuit will hopefully have been
            briefed by their lawyer not to do so.<br>
            <br>
            Paul<br>
            <br>
            On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote cite="mid:CAB8VJX5LnUB=6ZdCuixLQC6xAvRjJZKwPujSHaZinO30YCigmA@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Well Paul, let's make a guess.  You have been
            taking instruction from "regular guy" (and deadbeat) Douglas
            Wilson entitled "Logic Without Imagination" or something
            similar.<br>
            <br>
            Just because someone would like a little face time with
            Hoffmann does not mean they want to bully him or beat him
            up.  Of course without imagination, it is difficult for you
            to think of other alternatives.  You might try it as an
            exercise in Non-Wilsonian Logic.<br>
            <br>
            Also the lack of imagination traps into restricting the
            interested parties to V2020 members.  That is not so by a
            long shot.  Items from v2020 are frequently forwarded to
            non-members, and in Hoffmann's case, probably some of this
            forwards go to Bend and Redmond, Oregon.<br>
            <br>
            You appear to have either no enterprise values and/or
            completely ignorant of the milieu of which the Germer
            deadbeat action is a bit of.  I doubt that anyone on the
            list wishes to take the time and effort to let you in on the
            big non-secrets given your past actions as an ardent
            apologist for Wilson.<br>
            <br>
            I had thought that we would be chastised by Gary Crabtree,
            But so far, not.  But whatever other views Crabtree may
            have, he is a believer in enterprise and a businessman who
            provides and warrants his goods and services and expects to
            be paid promptly for them.  Hence it is not unreasonable to
            assume that he also abhors deadbeats.  It is highly probable
            that Crabtree also knows Larry Germer and would not be
            adverse to hearing his side of the story directly from him.<br>
            <br>
            w.<br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM,
              Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div>
                  <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new
                    roman,new york,times,serif">
                    <div><span>Glad to hear it.  What was your intent?</span></div>
                    <div><br>
                      <span></span></div>
                    <div><span>Paul</span></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div style="font-family:times new roman,new
                      york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
                      <div style="font-family:times new roman,new
                        york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
                        <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial">
                            <div class="im">
                              <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                              Moscow Cares <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">moscowcares@moscow.com</a></a>><br>
                            </div>
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                            Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>>
                            <br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
                            Art Deco <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a></a>>;

                            "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>"
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>>
                            <br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                            Monday, June 25, 2012 4:06 PM
                            <div>
                              <div class="h5"><br>
                                <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                                Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234
                                (Germer Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc,
                                Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)<br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </font> </div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="h5"> <br>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>I really don't feel it necessary to
                                  explain to Mr. Rumelhart that my
                                  intention was neither bullying nor to
                                  encourage physical confrontation.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>'Nuff said.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                                  <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>"If not us, who?</div>
                                  <div>If not now, when?"</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>- Unknown</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                  On Jun 25, 2012, at 15:57, Paul
                                  Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>>

                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times
                                      new roman,new york,times,serif">
                                      <div><span>Is that why Mr. Hansen
                                          posted his address?  So people
                                          on this list could find him
                                          and confront him physically?</span></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <span></span></div>
                                      <div><span>No thank you.</span></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <span></span></div>
                                      <div><span>Let the courts work it
                                          out and leave the 5th grade
                                          bullying behind.  It's a
                                          private matter between two
                                          companies.</span></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <span></span></div>
                                      <div><span>I swear, any mention of
                                          Doug Wilson or Christ Church
                                          and you guys leave your common
                                          sense locked in a drawer
                                          somewhere.<br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <span></span></div>
                                      <div><span>Paul<br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div style="font-family:times new
                                        roman,new
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                                          <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial">
                                              <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                                              Art Deco <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a></a>><br>
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> <br>
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                                              Monday, June 25, 2012 3:39
                                              PM<br>
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                                              Re: [Vision2020] Case No.
                                              CV-2011-1234 (Germer
                                              Const., Inc. v. Greensides
                                              Inc, Wilson, Gray, and
                                              Hoffman)<br>
                                            </font> </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>@Paul:<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Sorry to report neither the
                                            world nor v2020 revolves
                                            around you.  However, there
                                            is a strong probability that
                                            a number of people or their
                                            agents would like a little
                                            face time with Hoffman.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            w.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012
                                              at 2:41 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
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                                                <div>
                                                  <div>Paul Rumelhart
                                                    inquires:</div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>"<span>Now that
                                                        you've posted
                                                        this gentleman's
                                                        address on this
                                                        list, what is it
                                                        that you would
                                                        like me to do
                                                        with this
                                                        information?"</span></div>
                                                    <div><font face="'times new
                                                        roman', 'new
                                                        york', times,
                                                        serif" size="4"><span><br>
                                                        </span></font></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><font face="'times new
                                                      roman', 'new
                                                      york', times,
                                                      serif" size="4"><span><span>Can

                                                          I tell him
                                                          what to with
                                                          it, Wayne?
                                                           Huh?  Can I?
                                                           Can I?</span><br>
                                                      </span></font>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Seeya round
                                                      town, Moscow.</div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Tom Hansen</div>
                                                      <div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>"If not us,
                                                        who?</div>
                                                      <div>If not now,
                                                        when?"</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>- Unknown</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      On Jun 25, 2012,
                                                      at 14:01, Paul
                                                      Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote type="cite">Now
                                                      that you've posted
                                                      this gentleman's
                                                      address on this
                                                      list, what is it
                                                      that you would
                                                      like me to do with
                                                      this information?</blockquote>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
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                                            </div>
                                            <br>
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                                            Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>
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