Paul writes:<br><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">"People who don't belong to this lawsuit
don't have any reason to confront this guy, and people involved in
this lawsuit will hopefully have been briefed by their lawyer not
to do so."</span><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Once a matter enters the court, it is public business. Not only the subject matter, but questions of the conduct and fairness of the court itself.<br><br>Your statement is just another of your repeated attempts at censorship of topics to be discussed on this forum. As such, it is bound to fail.<br>
<br>You ignorance leads you to assume those interested in Hoffmann are only parties to this case. Wrong. Hoffman was involved in a number of other didos while here and in Bend, Oregon.<br><br>Yous also write:<br><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">"I don't have an opinion about this
case, because it's simply a contract dispute. You don't know who
is right and who is wrong, and neither do I. Nor do I really
care."</span><br><br>Do you think that Germer has just made the whole thing up? Have you read the pleadings including the answers? Do did you find any substantive denial of Germer's claim except ignorance = "Defendant is without sufficient knowledge ..."?<br>
<br> Do you not think large bad debts, especially in a small community in a recessionary period is a matter of public interest? Do you not think discussion of this and similar cases provides a warning to be careful about to whom credit is extended to by businesses and individuals?<br>
<br>Do you expect that everyone has the same attitude as you -- "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">Nor do I really
care" <font color="#000000">-- and we should therefore stop posting about it? You sound like the Michigan legislature who recently silenced a member for using the word "vagina".</font></span><br><br>
Since you have not figured it out, all of the postings of Hoffmann's various addresses come from internet sites open to anyone with the wit to search. Posting them here in the manner in which they were may only save someone a little effort. It also serves as a reminder to deadbeats that you can run, but cannot hide.<br>
<br>This suit has yet to make the <i>Daily News </i>although a $40,000 suit against the Local Winco appeared last week. The <i>Spokesman-Review</i> prints notice of civil suits in their public Records section, and it covers in a professional journalistic manner, the civil suits for larger amounts. Since the <i>Daily News</i> has abdicated its journalistic responsibility and ethics in this matter, the public is forced to learned about it through alternative sources such as V2020, coffee klatches, back fence chit chat, etc..<br>
<br>w.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br>
You've spent a lot of time denigrating my character, yet I'm not
the one posting someone's address on this list. You've also spent
a fair amount of time guessing my views on this subject, but have
fallen far from the mark. I don't have an opinion about this
case, because it's simply a contract dispute. You don't know who
is right and who is wrong, and neither do I. Nor do I really
care. I just don't like to see someone's address posted as a sly
sort of "this is where he lives, if you want to talk to him, he's
at this address". People should be able to feel secure in their
own homes without complete strangers confronting them about a
private matter. This used to be considered unethical on this
site, but that appears to be true only when they aren't somehow
connected to Doug.<br>
<br>
But, whatever. It's been posted and the toothpaste can't be put
back in the tube. I'd just like to naively suggest that folks
leave this guy in peace. People who don't belong to this lawsuit
don't have any reason to confront this guy, and people involved in
this lawsuit will hopefully have been briefed by their lawyer not
to do so.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Paul</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Art Deco wrote:<br>
</div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">Well Paul, let's make a guess. You have been taking
instruction from "regular guy" (and deadbeat) Douglas Wilson
entitled "Logic Without Imagination" or something similar.<br>
<br>
Just because someone would like a little face time with Hoffmann
does not mean they want to bully him or beat him up. Of course
without imagination, it is difficult for you to think of other
alternatives. You might try it as an exercise in Non-Wilsonian
Logic.<br>
<br>
Also the lack of imagination traps into restricting the interested
parties to V2020 members. That is not so by a long shot. Items
from v2020 are frequently forwarded to non-members, and in
Hoffmann's case, probably some of this forwards go to Bend and
Redmond, Oregon.<br>
<br>
You appear to have either no enterprise values and/or completely
ignorant of the milieu of which the Germer deadbeat action is a
bit of. I doubt that anyone on the list wishes to take the time
and effort to let you in on the big non-secrets given your past
actions as an ardent apologist for Wilson.<br>
<br>
I had thought that we would be chastised by Gary Crabtree, But so
far, not. But whatever other views Crabtree may have, he is a
believer in enterprise and a businessman who provides and warrants
his goods and services and expects to be paid promptly for them.
Hence it is not unreasonable to assume that he also abhors
deadbeats. It is highly probable that Crabtree also knows Larry
Germer and would not be adverse to hearing his side of the story
directly from him.<br>
<br>
w.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Paul
Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<div><span>Glad to hear it. What was your intent?</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>Paul</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>
<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>><br>
</div>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>;
"<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, June 25, 2012 4:06 PM
<div>
<div><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer
Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray,
and Hoffman)<br>
</div>
</div>
</font> </div>
<div>
<div> <br>
<div>
<div>
<div>I really don't feel it necessary to
explain to Mr. Rumelhart that my intention
was neither bullying nor to encourage
physical confrontation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>'Nuff said.<br>
<br>
<div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"If not us, who?</div>
<div>If not now, when?"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Unknown</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Jun 25, 2012, at 15:57, Paul Rumelhart
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<div><span>Is that why Mr. Hansen posted
his address? So people on this list
could find him and confront him
physically?</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>No thank you.</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>Let the courts work it out
and leave the 5th grade bullying
behind. It's a private matter
between two companies.</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>I swear, any mention of Doug
Wilson or Christ Church and you guys
leave your common sense locked in a
drawer somewhere.<br>
</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>Paul<br>
</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial">
<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
Art Deco <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, June 25, 2012 3:39 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Case No.
CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const.,
Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson,
Gray, and Hoffman)<br>
</font> </div>
<br>
<div>@Paul:<br>
<br>
Sorry to report neither the world
nor v2020 revolves around you.
However, there is a strong
probability that a number of
people or their agents would like
a little face time with Hoffman.<br>
<br>
w.<br>
<br>
<div>
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM,
Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Paul Rumelhart
inquires:</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span>Now that
you've posted this
gentleman's address on
this list, what is it
that you would like me
to do with this
information?"</span></div>
<div><font face="'times
new roman', 'new
york', times, serif" size="4"><span><br>
</span></font></div>
</div>
<div><font face="'times new
roman', 'new york',
times, serif" size="4"><span><span>Can
I tell him what to
with it, Wayne?
Huh? Can I? Can
I?</span><br>
</span></font>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Seeya round town,
Moscow.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Moscow, Idaho</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"If not us, who?</div>
<div>If not now, when?"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Unknown</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
On Jun 25, 2012, at
14:01, Paul Rumelhart
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Now
that you've posted this
gentleman's address on
this list, what is it
that you would like me
to do with this
information?</blockquote>
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