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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">The US is not targeting civilian homes, schools, libraries, churches, grocery stores or shopping centers. It is only hitting obvious military targets of its <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>publicly</SPAN></SPAN> self admitted enemies. Any <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-2><SPAN>civilian</SPAN></SPAN> that assists the enemy in anyway, goes to their events, goes in their tents and buildings, or <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-3><SPAN>occupies</SPAN></SPAN> the space around these <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-4><SPAN>legitimate</SPAN></SPAN> targets are the ones likely to get injured or killed. Those are the ones being <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-5><SPAN>accidentally</SPAN></SPAN> killed, not <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-6><SPAN>civilians</SPAN></SPAN> at work, play, and worship. The difference between the two is
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">So, I don't think it is legitimate to call Obama a bad person. He might need to improve tactics and limit<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR> limit our targets. However, he is the President of the United States, he must do everything he possibly can to ensure the safety of Americans, even if it sometimes unfairly puts people overseas at increased risk. </SPAN></div>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Donovan,<BR><BR>Let me be clear: I'm not saying that the people who run the program are saying, 'Let's blow that up because there are children in there.' But they are blowing up buildings and there are children and other civilians that are killed. And then they do it again and again. The fact that it does not stop is the evidence of their indifference.<BR><BR>Some strikes have targeted rescuers arriving on the scene of a drone attack:<BR><BR>http://www.newser.com/story/139091/us-drones-return-to-hit-rescuers-funerals.html<BR><BR>I don't believe the drone program is even run by the military, so I don't think your statement below about soldiers willfully attacking children (which I have not made) is even correct. As I understand it, the drone program is run by the CIA, so is supposed to be civilian. If I am wrong about that, I'm happy to be corrected.<BR><BR>One reason we have gotten <SPAN id=misspell-4 class=mark>crossways</SPAN> in the past
is that you have misrepresented what I have said. Nowhere in this thread, or elsewhere, have I said that the Obama administration has targeted children specifically. However, they are killing civilians, including children, in these attacks. Please be clear about that. <BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>I don't think most people, nor I, will believe your claims that the Obama Administration, or even the past Bush and Clinton administrations for that matter, and our <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxmisspell-1><SPAN>soldiers</SPAN></SPAN>, are willfully and <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxmisspell-1><SPAN>deliberately</SPAN></SPAN> attacking children with drones without <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxmisspell-2><SPAN>presenting</SPAN></SPAN> some sort of evidence to such a claim. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Donovan,<BR><BR>I don't think they save lives, clearly they cost the lives of their victims, who are regularly civilians. And they will inspire more people to fight. What's the evidence, besides the government's self-serving claims, that they save lives?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>I don't have a quarrel with you either. However, to claim Obama targets children with drones is an extraordinary one to say the least. And you know what they say about extraordinary claims, they need extraordinary evidence to support them, and you have provided none.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I do not contest that on <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxyiv749015824ecxmisspell-1><SPAN>occasion</SPAN></SPAN> US military actions result in the deaths of innocent lives, including children. However, they are not intentional, and the overall net impact of drones saves more lives, good <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxyiv749015824ecxmisspell-2><SPAN>soldiers</SPAN></SPAN>, bad <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxyiv749015824ecxmisspell-3><SPAN>soldiers</SPAN></SPAN>, and innocent civilians, than they cost. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Donovan,<BR><BR>I should start by saying my quarrel isn't with you, it's with Obama and his drone policy. At some point, and for me it was passed long ago, when we keep killing kids with drones, Obama doesn't have to say that. He just has to keep sending them out, and it amounts to the same thing. <BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Do you think a drone is going to fly out of his head and kill that kid? </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Obama--"This is the Commander and Chief, send out the drones, and target all kids." </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>General <SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxyiv749015824ecxmisspell-8 class=yiv161496547ecxyiv749015824mark><SPAN id=yiv161496547ecxmisspell-10 class=yiv161496547mark><SPAN id=misspell-15 class=mark>Smeeremall</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>--"With pleasure, Commander!"</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Cannot see that happening. But I might just lack imagination. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Sadly, all men are bad who send out drones that kill children.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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