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I'm working on the assumption that I'm not on the governments top
ten list. I don't put a lot out there, either. But I do like to
correspond through email and look at web pages. So why not do so in
privacy?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 05/23/2012 06:55 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"><font
style="RIGHT: auto">Paul writes,</font></span></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"></span> </div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"><font
style="RIGHT: auto">"The VPN (virtual private network)
encrypts the connection between your computer and the rest
of the internet, so nobody without a spare <i><b>supercomputer</b></i>
will be reading your emails or seeing what web pages you
go to."</font></span></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"></span> </div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"><font
size="1"><font size="2">Gosh, let's hope the government
never gets a <span id="misspell-2"><span>hold</span></span>
of one of those supercomputers</font>. <font size="2">My
secret to not having any unwanted information about me
or my personal conversations over the <span
id="misspell-3"><span>Internet</span></span> leaked is
to just not put them there in the first place. I know it
is low tech, but sometimes low tech is the best way to
go. Americans spent millions developing a pen that could
write in space. Russians, they just used a number 2
pencil. </font></font></span></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"></span> </div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto"><font
size="1"><font size="2">Donovan J. Arnold</font></font></span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Paul
Rumelhart <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Art
Deco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"><art.deco.studios@gmail.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">"vision2020@moscow.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:43 PM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Are the police tracking your calls?<br>
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<div><span>I recommend using a private VPN service for
this reason among others. The VPN (virtual
private network) encrypts the connection between
your computer and the rest of the internet, so
nobody without a spare supercomputer will be
reading your emails or seeing what web pages you
go to. It can also help keep ISPs from doing deep
packet inspection, which some ISPs use to vary
your data speeds if you use bit torrent or if you
are using a competitors video stream. I don't
know if any local ISPs do that, but better safe
than sorry. It can also help keep advertisers
from getting a bead on where you are
geographically, which can foil their attempts to
figure out what you search for and what sort of
stuff you like to buy online.<br>
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<span></span></div>
<div><span>The downside is that you have to pay for
them (a small monthly fee) and they can be slow if
you use the wrong private VPN provider. You can
mitigate this by only activating the VPN when you
are worried about privacy (such as downloading
email or browsing the web) and leave it off for
when you play World of Warcraft.</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>I have nothing against the police getting
this information, provided they get a warrant from
a judge. Why make it easy for them? The real
reason I use it, though, it to prevent others from
intercepting my communications either locally or
somewhere between me and the endpoint I'm going
to. I don't like what advertisers and other large
companies are doing with what they know about each
of us, so I fight against this. I also recommend
browsing the web with Firefox with AdBlock and
NoScript extensions. <br>
</span></div>
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<div><span>Paul<br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:30 PM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Are the police tracking your
calls?<br>
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<wbr>
<div id="yiv359072186">A closer to home issue is
whose emails, texts, twitters, etc are the
various local law enforcement agencies tracking
on the internet without warrants, and which ISPs
are allowing/abetting them by cooperating.<wbr><wbr>w.<wbr><wbr>
<div class="yiv359072186gmail_quote">On Wed, May
23, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Donovan Arnold <span
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<div><span>Their new symbol should be
the same eagle being stripped
searched of all its feathers and
another guy confiscating and making
a copy of the key it is clutching so
tightly, every time it tries to make
another flight.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan J. Arnold</span></div>
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Force <<a
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Art Deco <<a
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"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:52 AM
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Re: [Vision2020] Are the
police tracking your calls?<wbr></div>
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<div><span>These are the
guys intercepting
international calls (and
some say, all calls).</span></div>
<div><span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nsa.gov/">http://www.nsa.gov/</a><br>
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<div>Ron ForceMoscow Idaho
USA<br>
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<b><span
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Donovan Arnold
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Art Deco <<a
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"<a
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ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>"
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ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
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<b><span
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bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, May 22,
2012 8:35 PM<br>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020]
Are the police
tracking your
calls?<br>
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<div><span>I
don't think
the local
police do <span>tht</span>
much<var></var>.
But I think it
is evidently
clear the FBI
and CIA do
with
international
calls. They
have hardware
that listens
to cell phone
conversations
over the
airwaves
looking for
key words and
phrases like
your voice <span><span>recognition</span></span>
software on
your android.
It isn't
possible for
the police to
track every
conversation,
not to mention
it would be
boring and <span><span>extremely</span></span>
expensive
unless you
were a suspect
in a crime. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>I am
more concerned
about <span><span>Google</span></span>.
They control
phones, <span><span>Internet</span></span>
searches,
emails,
personal
passwords,
credit and
financial
information,
soon even your
car, and do
not have the
same
restrictions
on the use of
them that law
enforcement
and the
government
have. You
legally
consent to
giving them
that
information
when you use
their
software, just
like you
legally
consent to a
strip search
when you enter
an airport. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><span>Donovan
J. Arnold</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
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ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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<b><span
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bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, May
22, 2012 4:29
PM<br>
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[Vision2020]
Are the police
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<div><font
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the police
tracking your
calls? </b></font></div>
<div>By
Catherine
Crump ,
Special to CNN</div>
<div>updated
3:23 PM EDT,
Tue May 22,
2012</div>
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<div>Are the
police
tracking your
calls?</div>
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<div><img
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alt="Whom you
text and call
and where you
go can reveal
a great deal
about you,
says Catherine
Crump."></div>
<div>Whom you
text and call
and where you
go can reveal
a great deal
about you,
says Catherine
Crump.</div>
<div><span><span>Editor's
note:</span>
Catherine
Crump is a
staff attorney
with the
American Civil
Liberties
Union's
Speech,
Privacy and
Technology
Project.</span>
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<div><span>(CNN)</span>
-- Do you know
how long your
cell phone
company keeps
records of
whom you text,
who calls you
or what places
you have
traveled? Do
you know how
often cell
phone
companies turn
over this
information to
the police and
whether they
first ask the
police to get
a warrant
based on
probable
cause?</div>
<div>No, you
don't. Not
unless you
work for a
cell phone
company or a
law
enforcement
agency with a
specialty in
electronic
surveillance.
You aren't
alone:
Congress and
the courts
have no idea
either.</div>
<div>The
little we do
know is
worrisome. The
companies are
not legally
required to
turn over your
information
simply because
a police
officer is
curious about
you. Yet
wireless
carriers sell
this
information to
police all the
time.</div>
<div>As far as
the cell phone
companies are
concerned, the
less Americans
know about it
the better.</div>
<div>Whom you
text and call
and where you
go (tracked by
your cell
phone as long
as it's on)
can reveal a
great deal
about you.
Your calling
patterns can
show which
friends matter
to you the
most, and your
travel
patterns can
reveal what
political and
religious
meetings you
attend and
what doctors
you visit.
Over time,
this data
accumulates
into a dossier
portraying
details of
your life so
intimate that
you may not
have thought
of them
yourself. In
comparison
with companies
such as <span><span>Facebook</span></span>
and <span><span>Google</span></span>,
which collect,
store and use
our
information in
one way or
another, cell
phone
companies are
less
transparent.</div>
<div>U.S. Rep.
Edward <span><span>Markey</span></span>,
co-chairman of
the
Congressional
Bipartisan
Privacy
Caucus,
recently
requested that
cell phone
companies
disclose basic
statistics on
how our
personal data
is shared with
the
government.
Let's hope the
companies are
forthcoming --
but don't hold
your breath.</div>
<div>To be
sure, there
can be
legitimate
reasons for
law
enforcement
agents to
track
individuals'
movements. For
example, when
officers can
demonstrate to
a judge that
they have a
good reason to
believe that
tracking will
turn up
evidence of a
crime. But
with a
surveillance
technique this
powerful, the
public has a
strong
interest in
understanding
how it is used
to ensure that
it is not
abused. While
the details of
individual
investigations
can
legitimately
be kept
secret, the
public and our
elected
representatives
have a right
to know the
policies in
general so
their wisdom
can be
debated.</div>
<div>Cell
phone
companies have
long concealed
these facts,
and they're
fighting
vigorously to
keep it that
way. In
California,
the cell phone
industry
recently
opposed a bill
that would
have required
companies to
tell their
customers how
often and
under what
circumstances
they turn over
location
information to
the police,
complaining
that it would
be "unduly
burdensome."</div>
<div>What
little has
come to light
so far about
the companies'
practices does
not paint a
comforting
picture.
Addressing a
surveillance
industry
conference in
2009, Sprint's
electronic
surveillance
manager
revealed that
the company
had received
so many
requests for
location data
that it set up
a website
where the
police could
conveniently
access the
information
from the
comfort of
their desks.
In just a
13-month
period, he
said, the
company had
provided law
enforcement
with 8 million
individual
location data
points. Other
than Sprint,
we do not have
even this type
of basic
information
about the
frequency of
requests for
any of the
other cell
phone
companies.</div>
<div>The
poorly
understood
relationship
between cell
phone
companies and
police raises
grave privacy
concerns. Like
the companies,
law
enforcement
agencies have
a strong
incentive to
keep what is
actually
happening a
secret, lest
the public
find out and
demand new
legal
protections.
More than 10
years ago, the
Justice
Department
convinced the
House of
Representatives
to abandon
legislation
that would
have required
law
enforcement
agencies to
compile
similar
statistics,
arguing that
it would turn
"crime
fighters into
bookkeepers."</div>
<div>The
excessive
secrecy has
frustrated the
ability of the
American
people to have
an informed
debate on just
how much
information
police should
have access to
without
judicial
oversight or
having to show
probable
cause. It has
also prevented
Congress and
the courts
from
effectively
addressing
these
intrusive
surveillance
powers. That
is not how our
system of
government is
supposed to
work.</div>
<div>It would
not be
difficult for
the carriers
to tell
customers how
their data is
collected,
stored and
shared. In
fact, an
internal
Justice
Department
document from
2010,
dislodged
through a
public records
request by the
American Civil
Liberties
Union, showed
the data
retention
policies of
all major
carriers on a
single piece
of paper. The
phone
companies have
all created
detailed
handbooks for
law
enforcement
agents
describing
their policies
and prices
charged for
surveillance
assistance, a
few dated
versions of
which have
seeped out
onto the
Internet.</div>
<div>If the
cell phone
companies can
provide this
information to
law
enforcement
agencies, they
can and should
provide basic
information
about their
sharing of
data with law
enforcement to
their
customers,
too. While law
enforcement
sometimes
argues that
making members
of the public
aware that
cell phone
companies can
track them
will make it
more difficult
to catch
criminals, it
is too late in
the day for
that argument
now that cell
phone tracking
is a staple of
television
police <span><span>procedurals</span></span>.</div>
<div>Why
aren't these
policies
available on
the companies'
websites? With
such
information,
consumers
could vote
with their
wallets and
punish those
companies that
don't protect
privacy.
Keeping their
customers in
the dark about
surveillance
is better for
business, it
seems.</div>
<div>We pay
the cell phone
companies to
provide us
with a
service, not
keep tabs on
us for the
government.
And yet the
companies that
now have
access to some
of our most
private
information
refuse to
reveal even
the most basic
facts about
their
policies? We
deserve
better.</div>
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