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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;MARGIN:0in 0in 6.7pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman','serif';FONT-SIZE:12pt">One of the misperceptions you have about student athletes is that they somehow or another are inferior to non-athletes. This might be true at BSU (I had to take that shot), but if you look at overall GPA's and graduation rates, those on athletic scholarships at Idaho outperform the overall student body by a substantial margin. Once those on athletic scholarships graduate they tend to land better jobs and be better donors back to the UI. Football is by far the biggest generator of revenue for the UI and, as it has been often quoted, it is impossible to convince 13,000 people (UI) or 116,000 people (Michigan) on a Saturday to spend 4 hours of their lives watching a academic debate/event of any kind. I personally have flown from Fairbanks to Moscow to watch 4 football games while my son (marching band) has been at the U of I. My son attends the UI because of the Lionel Hampton School of Music.<span style> </span>Marching band, pep band other musical opportunities that exist there in large part because of football; without football marching band would not exist (and in my personal case I would bleed out a lot less money because he would probably attend school here in Alaska). As for your argument that shrinking, or even eliminating athletics would lead to greater enrollment of minorities, I would firmly state that you are wrong. We all like to paint the UI as the Northwest's version of Harvard, but let’s get real for a moment and admit that the UI only still exists because of it land-grant status, and now large alumni base that fights for our college, the Boise controlled legislature would have long ago moved the campus to Boise; Albion State Normal School is proof that without sports, a large alumni base, and land grant status colleges die in Idaho.</span></p>
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<div><span>I don't think it does, Sunil. I just think football is the biggest generator of revenue. <span>UI</span> administrators might also point to donations and sales of <span>UI</span> products as revenues from football. Athletic scholarships help as well, but even a full scholarship covers only 20% of a student's tab, as the State of Idaho and federal government the 80%. </span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 3, 2012 8:12 AM
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</div>From: <a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com" target="_blank">areaman@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 05:58:37 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports<br>
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<div><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Love America<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">I am not sure why diversity and opportunities would suffer at <span><span>UI</span></span> by returning to the Big Sky, nor did your response state why. I am 100% for Title IX, always have been. </span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt">My understanding, however, whenever I looked into the situation while at <span><span>UI</span></span>, was that <span><span>UI</span></span> athletics always cost the <span><span>UI</span></span> more in revenues than it ever brought in and football only helped to offset those huge expenses. If this is so, I would surmise the shrinking of <span><span>UI</span></span> athletics would reduce costs to the <span><span>UI</span></span> overall and allow more minority students an opportunity to attend <span><span>UI</span></span> than athletics. Further, it would be minority students attending college for their academic achievements and talents rather than their ability to throw, catch, hit, or kick a ball. Many of those students would then be more likely to go on as graduate students which generate additional revenues for the <span><span>UI</span></span> assisting professors with their research. </span></div>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a> <br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:51 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports</span><span></span></div></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white"><span>If Idaho were to go back to the Big Sky, <span><span>UI</span></span> would have to cut women's programs plain and simple. Whether you like it or not, football revenue and Title IX compliance are why women's programs are doing so well at <span><span>UI</span></span>. I suspect soccer would go first, followed by women's golf. Men's and women's swimming would be cut next and probably some track scholarships are lost. Heck, I wish the Vandals have had better success at WAC football, but at least the pain on the gridiron (with a couple of great years in the midst) has allowed hundreds of athletes to attend the <span><span>UI</span></span> who would not have had a chance if the <span><span>UI</span></span> was still in the Big Sky. Those scholarships have helped with diversity, have added to the richness of the university, and have introduced 100's of fine people to Moscow that would have not been there. I love winning like anyone else, but I know that in the end having these opportunities for these fine students outweigh the win/loss record of any football team.</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white"><span>On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:white"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Carl <span><span>Westberg</span></span> <<a href="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">idahovandal1@live.com</a>> <br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br>
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<br>It simply is NOT that important!<br><br>Boise State is a prime example of what can happen if your priorities are messed up. Boise State has been a four-year college since the 60s. Although their football program has become a national Division 1A contender, their academic program remains at tier 3 along with a majority of northwest community colleges . . . not one PhD program and very few masters programs, while the University of Idaho has evolved into a nationally competitive tier 1 source of higher education and possesses a wide variety of many graduate programs.<br>
<br><span><span>Seeya</span></span> round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho <br>(<span><span>UI</span></span> '96, Information Systems)<br><br>"If not us, who?<br>If not now, when?"<br><br>- Unknown<br>
<br><br><br>On May 2, 2012, at 11:08, Carl <span><span>Westberg</span></span> <<a href="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">idahovandal1@live.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> I've brought this subject up before, but recent conference shuffling events really seem to have put U of Idaho athletics in a very hard place. No Division 1 conference seems to want the Vandals. I just saw a <span><span>Facebook</span></span> poll asking which of three options respondents would prefer given the circumstances. 1. Try playing as a D-1 independent, which would probably mean about three home games a year while hoping for an eventual conference invitation. 2. Play, again, in the Sun Belt (teams in Louisiana, Tennessee...) to stay D-1. If the Sun Belt wanted Idaho. 3. Swallow pride and return to 1-AA and the Big Sky. So far in the <span><span>Facebook</span></span> poll, the Big Sky leads comfortably. Any thoughts? Or is it even a concern outside of the hard core fans?<br>
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