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    Thank you for your kind rebuke, but I did read the entire post.  I
    get that you wanted Chas to look at the study before being critical
    of it.  I wouldn't mind hearing his take on the details as well. 
    I'm telling you that being skeptical *before* you look at a study is
    proper and is not foolish or arrogant.<br>
    <br>
    Both you and Mr. Hansen indicated I needed to be more "honest". 
    What, exactly, do you think I'm lying about?<br>
    <br>
    The word "skepticism" has gotten a bad rap lately.  It doesn't mean
    that a person is completely against an idea, it just means that
    there is now a bar that the idea or study has to get over.  Assuming
    they do this, then the person who was previously skeptical could now
    become one of the study's main proponents.  I would blame the AGW
    community for the co-opting of "skepticism" into a dirty word, but
    they would just blame me for Not Being a True Skeptic or some such
    nonsense.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    On 05/02/2012 10:00 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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cite="mid:CAB8VJX6fjiBNFPsVTnTmziQ6F=UJKBud+KUFZU2gahCHpcSgBw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">This should be three first things on your to-do list:<br>
      <br>
      Reading Comprehension<br>
      Read Entire Post Before Making An Ass of Yourself<br>
      Honesty<br>
      <br>
      w.<br>
      <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Paul
        Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
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              <div><span>When did people start conflating skepticism
                  with arrogance and foolishness?  It should be the
                  default outlook when anyone tells you anything that is
                  in any way surprising.</span></div>
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              <div><span>Paul<br>
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                      <div class="im"> <b><span
                            style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                        Art Deco <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                          target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
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                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                      Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:19 AM
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                        <br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                        Re: [Vision2020] Highly religious people are
                        less motivated by compassion than are
                        non-believers<br>
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                    <div>It's not enough to express skepticism without
                      giving reasons.  Any fool can do that.<br>
                      <br>
                      If you want to exhibit more than arrogance,
                      criticize the experimental design of the multiple
                      studies cited.  Such design are open to criticism
                      as is any early experimental works on particular
                      subjects.  In this case the lack of clear and
                      precise definitions make unclear what is being
                      measured.<br>
                      <br>
                      However, as with many pioneering experimental
                      work, the results are suggestive.  Now the
                      methodology needs to be refined, and further,
                      broader experiments pursued with more care and
                      rigor.  That's how science works.  In the case of
                      social and behavioral sciences, the struggle for
                      clearer definitions and results is much more
                      difficult than in the physical sciences because of
                      the number of variables involved and the
                      difficulty of isolating the variables.  That
                      doesn't mean, however, that the search for
                      knowledge in this area should be abandoned.<br>
                      <br>
                      w.<br>
                      <br>
                      <div>On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Donovan
                        Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
                            href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
                            target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                              <div><span>Yes, Chas, it seems <span><span>far-fetched</span></span>
                                  that such <span><span>values</span></span>
                                  could be so easily quantified and
                                  measured with any scientific accuracy
                                  or <span><span>validity</span></span>.
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                              <div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
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                                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b>
                                      Chasuk <<a
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                                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b>
                                      Donovan Arnold <<a
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                                        href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
                                        target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>
                                      <br>
                                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b>
                                      Art Deco <<a
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                                        rel="nofollow"
                                        href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>;
                                      "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        rel="nofollow"
                                        href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                                        target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>"
                                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        rel="nofollow"
                                        href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
                                        target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
                                      <br>
                                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                                      Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:33 AM<br>
                                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                                      Re: [Vision2020] Highly religious
                                      people are less motivated by
                                      compassion than are non-believers<br>
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                                      <div>The study looked at <span>generosity
                                          and charity, and tried to
                                          determine the motives behind
                                          those behaviors. It decided
                                          that the highly religious were
                                          driven towards acts of </span><span>generosity
                                          and charity </span><span>less
                                          often by empathy and
                                          compassion than were the </span><span><font
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                                              style="LINE-HEIGHT:22px;FONT-SIZE:14px">non-religious/less
                                              religious. I'm skeptical
                                              that such a determination
                                              can legitimately be made.</span></font></span></div>
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                      Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>
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