Again: Reading comprehension:<br><br>I wrote [emphasis added]:<br><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">"It's not enough to express skepticism <font size="4"><b>without
giving reasons.</b></font> Any fool can do that.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
If you want to exhibit more than arrogance,
<font size="4"><b>criticize the experimental design</b></font> of the multiple
studies cited."</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br>A asserts "X is true" giving reasons Y. B says "I don't think X is true" giving no reasons. That's not skepticism, that's being foolishly, playground contrary. "Are not." "Am so."<br>
<br>A asserts "X is true" based on several time consuming studies published after peer review, B says "I don't think X is true" without giving reasons why the the experimental design is flawed or any other cogent reasons That's self-centered arrogance, and also shows lack of intellectual integrity, to wit, dishonesty.<br>
<br>A skeptic C would say "X is doubtful because Z" where Z is an informed critique of the experimental design and/or other cogent reasons why C thinks the conclusions are in error..<br><br>C exhibits healthy, rational skepticism, the kind that advances knowledge; that's the way science and everyday knowledge acquisition (and a conscientious jury) works. B exhibits blind skepticism, no different than blind faith -- an assertion without evidence or justification. Vigorously encourage the former, reject the latter.<br>
<br>w.<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Thank you for your kind rebuke, but I did read the entire post. I
get that you wanted Chas to look at the study before being critical
of it. I wouldn't mind hearing his take on the details as well.
I'm telling you that being skeptical *before* you look at a study is
proper and is not foolish or arrogant.<br>
<br>
Both you and Mr. Hansen indicated I needed to be more "honest".
What, exactly, do you think I'm lying about?<br>
<br>
The word "skepticism" has gotten a bad rap lately. It doesn't mean
that a person is completely against an idea, it just means that
there is now a bar that the idea or study has to get over. Assuming
they do this, then the person who was previously skeptical could now
become one of the study's main proponents. I would blame the AGW
community for the co-opting of "skepticism" into a dirty word, but
they would just blame me for Not Being a True Skeptic or some such
nonsense.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Paul</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 05/02/2012 10:00 AM, Art Deco wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">This should be three first things on your to-do list:<br>
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Reading Comprehension<br>
Read Entire Post Before Making An Ass of Yourself<br>
Honesty<br>
<br>
w.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Paul
Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span>When did people start conflating skepticism
with arrogance and foolishness? It should be the
default outlook when anyone tells you anything that is
in any way surprising.</span></div>
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<div><span>Paul<br>
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<div> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:19 AM
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Highly religious people are
less motivated by compassion than are
non-believers<br>
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<div> <br>
<div>It's not enough to express skepticism without
giving reasons. Any fool can do that.<br>
<br>
If you want to exhibit more than arrogance,
criticize the experimental design of the multiple
studies cited. Such design are open to criticism
as is any early experimental works on particular
subjects. In this case the lack of clear and
precise definitions make unclear what is being
measured.<br>
<br>
However, as with many pioneering experimental
work, the results are suggestive. Now the
methodology needs to be refined, and further,
broader experiments pursued with more care and
rigor. That's how science works. In the case of
social and behavioral sciences, the struggle for
clearer definitions and results is much more
difficult than in the physical sciences because of
the number of variables involved and the
difficulty of isolating the variables. That
doesn't mean, however, that the search for
knowledge in this area should be abandoned.<br>
<br>
w.<br>
<br>
<div>On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Donovan
Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Yes, Chas, it seems <span><span>far-fetched</span></span>
that such <span><span>values</span></span>
could be so easily quantified and
measured with any scientific accuracy
or <span><span>validity</span></span>.
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<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b>
Chasuk <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">chasuk@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b>
Donovan Arnold <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Art Deco <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" target="_blank">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>>;
"<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>"
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:33 AM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] Highly religious
people are less motivated by
compassion than are non-believers<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>The study looked at <span>generosity
and charity, and tried to
determine the motives behind
those behaviors. It decided
that the highly religious were
driven towards acts of </span><span>generosity
and charity </span><span>less
often by empathy and
compassion than were the </span><span><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
'Liberation Sans', FreeSans,
sans-serif"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:22px;FONT-SIZE:14px">non-religious/less
religious. I'm skeptical
that such a determination
can legitimately be made.</span></font></span></div>
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