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    I've never seen someone claim to be a proud Intolerista when they
    are talking about, say, pulling our troops out of Iraq or what to do
    about the national debt.  It only comes up when you are talking
    about Doug Wilson.  That's all I meant.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    On 04/01/2012 09:48 AM, keely emerinemix wrote:
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        I remember what Nathan Alford, the publisher of the Daily News,
        asked me once as we were meeting to discuss my sense that when
        an NSA student successfully shaves in the morning, there's the
        likelihood that the DN will run a story about it.  <br>
        <br>
        "Is there ANYTHING that interests Keely Emerine-Mix (Nathan was
        fond of using my entire name, although I was pretty sure I was
        the only Keely in the room) other than Doug Wilson?"<br>
        <br>
        (cue music to "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" -- bwa bwa bwa
        bwa bwa, bwa bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bwa)<br>
        <br>
        My answer was that I was "interested in" my faith, social
        justice, my community, the utter dismantling of patriarchy, and
        the safety of my neighbors.  And my puppy.  So while I was
        willing to concede that my love for Perry was not threatened by
        Wilson, et al, the other "interests" were on his radar and
        would, therefore, continue to be on mine.  I assured Nathan that
        if I needed help in finding a hobby, I'd flip through my ladies'
        magazines and come up with one.  Until then, I'd be monitoring
        and speaking out against Wilson and any other threats to the
        things I hold dear.<br>
        <br>
        So, Paul, I would resent the idea, should it ever be proposed,
        that I and the others whom Wilson has called Intoleristas are
        oddly obsessed solely because he fascinates us so.  Wrong.  <br>
        <br>
        On the other hand, if you were to ask me if I was singularly
        devoted to the Gospel and social justice, I'd cheerfully say yes
        and confess gladly to being a one-note Sally.  Frankly, I can't
        think of anything I'd rather devote myself to.<br>
        <br>
        Scrapbooking just seems a little, ohhhh, I dunno -- deficient .
        . . <br>
        <br>
        <font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;"
            size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br>
            </font></font></font><br>
        <br>
        <div>
          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:21:11 -0700<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "We are the answer"<br>
          <br>
          Rumelhart writes:<br>
          "<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">However, the
            "Intolerista" thing is more than just a little bit of
            intolerance for those vices.  It's an entire club that has
            been<font size="6"><b> formed specifically </b></font>to
            oppose this one local religion because it's Grand Poobah or
            whatever he is sometimes acts like an ass."</span><br
            style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
          <br>
          <div class="ecxgmail_quote">I don't know who all are included
            by Cultmaster Wilson or anyone else in the group called
            "Intoleristas.  <br>
            <br>
            I am not on the list-serve that is maintained by one of its
            members, so I frequently have no idea what is going on.  But
            I do know a number of those frequently called Intoleristas. 
            Concern with Cultmaster Douglas Wilson is by no stretch of
            the imagination the only cause which they are concerned with
            and comment upon, including commenting upon frequently on
            this forum.<br>
            <br>
            Since you have been on this forum for some time and had
            ample time to observe this, and in fact, debate some these
            issues with some of them, to plead ignorance of this fact
            and make the above statement is pure dishonesty, the same
            kind of dishonesty that characterizes Cultmaster Wilson when
            he finds himself holding an untenable, indefensible position
            and reverts to defending his position with lies.<br>
            <br>
            It is also dishonest for you to now call Cultmaster Wilson "<span
              style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Grand Poobah or whatever he
              is sometimes acts like an ass."</span><font
              color="#000000"> after you have assured us on more than
              one occasion </font>that based on your personal contact
            with him, he is a "regular guy."<br>
            <br>
            Running a con on this forum is not often a successful
            endeavor.<br>
            <br>
            w.<br>
            <br>
            On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Gier, Nicholas <span
              dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu">ngier@uidaho.edu</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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              solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
              <div>
                Hi Paul,<br>
                <br>
                Thanks for the responses.  I'll address a few points and
                then I'm done.<br>
                <br>
                In my book on evangelical Christianity, I went to great
                pains to distinguish between those theologians whom I
                learned to respect and those that I came to disrespect. 
                My focus was always on persons/leaders and not the tens
                of thousands of people in their congregations or
                denominations.<br>
                <br>
                The focus of my criticism has always been on Wilson's
                inner circle and not church members or NSA students. I
                assume that most of them do not have the vices their
                leaders have.<br>
                <br>
                One clarification:  I was not inviting NSA faculty and
                students to "debates," but a regional professional
                conference where faculty present papers in a respectful
                way and where students are also given a chance to
                interact and present their views as well.  I have no
                desire to debate Wilson because I have no respect for
                him nor could I trust him.<br>
                <br>
                You admit that Ron Paul is a "crazy guy," and yet you
                will vote for him?  Now that's irrational.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks for the dialogue,<br>
                <br>
                Nick<br>
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                  <div class="h5"><br>
                    <br>
                    > A society grows great when old men plant trees
                    whose shade they know<br>
                    > they shall never sit in.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > -Greek proverb<br>
                    > Hi Paul,<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Thanks for the apology.  I don't know if you
                    wanted include in this<br>
                    > reply.  As per usual, I forgot to press "Reply
                    All" when I sent me<br>
                    > post below.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Apology accepted.  Now what a response to what
                    I said?<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Nick<br>
                    ><br>
                    > > Hi Paul,<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > Thanks for referring to me--at least
                    indirectly--by my first name.  It<br>
                    > > makes me feel like a real person in this
                    debate. Thanks for the<br>
                    > > third-person respect.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > You say that what set you off was my
                    signing myself as "Proud<br>
                    > > Intolerista.  It's not intolerant to
                    dislike intellectual dishonesty,<br>
                    > > ordinary dishonesty, bigotry, and bad
                    manners."  I don't tolerate<br>
                    > > intellectual dishonesty among my
                    colleagues and students and I judge<br>
                    > > it harshly.  My former student Doug Wilson
                    is no different.  Am I to<br>
                    > > assume that you don't dislike these
                    vices?  I hope not.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > Perhaps you did not read my long post
                    about my sincere engagement with<br>
                    > > NSA faculty and students, but let me just
                    add that Wilson and I had<br>
                    > > friendly relations until from 1973 to 1993
                    when he double-crossed me<br>
                    > > on an abortion debate, but I remained
                    cordial and respectful<br>
                    > > thereafter.  The slavery debate and his
                    reactions to it changed<br>
                    > > everything for me and I now have no
                    respect for him at all.  Of course<br>
                    > > he is free to say what he wants, but I
                    will continue to condemn him as<br>
                    > > long as I have breath.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > In your first post on this issue you
                    remarked that you found my<br>
                    > > actions odd for a rational person. 
                    Similarly, I find your support for<br>
                    > > Ron Paul irrational.  With support from a
                    GOP Congress he could really<br>
                    > > destroy our economy.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > Thanks for the dialogue (especially now
                    that I personally recognized),<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > Nick<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > Nicholas F. Gier, Professor Emeritus<br>
                    > > Department of Philosophy, University of
                    Idaho<br>
                    > > "The Palouse Pundit" on Radio Free Moscow,
                    92.5 FM<br>
                    > > President, Idaho Federation of Teachers,
                    AFT/AFL-CIO<br>
                    > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.idaho-aft.org/ift.htm"
                      target="_blank">www.idaho-aft.org/ift.htm</a><br>
                    > > <a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank">208-882-9212</a>,
                    410 Samaritan Lane, Moscow, ID 83843<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his
                    self-imposed immaturity.<br>
                    > > Immaturity is the inability to use one's
                    understanding without<br>
                    > > guidance from another. This immaturity is
                    self- imposed when its cause<br>
                    > > lies not in lack of understanding, but in
                    lack of resolve and courage<br>
                    > > to use it without guidance from another.
                    Sapere Aude! 'Have courage to<br>
                    > > use your own understand-ing!---that is the
                    motto of enlightenment.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > --Immanuel Kant<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > A society grows great when old men plant
                    trees whose shade they know<br>
                    > > they shall never sit in.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > -Greek proverb<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > ><br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > -----Original Message-----<br>
                    > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
                    on behalf of Paul Rumelhart<br>
                    > > Sent: Sat 3/31/2012 11:13 AM<br>
                    > > To: Sunil Ramalingam<br>
                    > > Cc: vision 2020<br>
                    > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "We are the
                    answer"<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > I might even join in a peaceful protest of
                    a KKK parade, in an effort to<br>
                    > > promote the idea of equality.  I would
                    likely try to calm people down if<br>
                    > > they were angered by the KKK members, and
                    if the protest turned into<br>
                    > > anything but peaceful, I would leave it.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > In answer to your question, of course we
                    have the right to judge<br>
                    > > people's views and oppose them if we don't
                    like them.  That's what I'm<br>
                    > > doing here.  My initial post was an effort
                    to show the "Intoleristas"<br>
                    > > that they were in fact intolerant.  It
                    wasn't an effort to have them<br>
                    > > shut down or in any way silenced.  The
                    statement that started this was<br>
                    > > in one of Nick's posts ("It's not
                    intolerant to dislkike intellectual<br>
                    > > dishonesty, ordinary dishonesty, bigotry,
                    and bad manners.")  I stated<br>
                    > > that what I've seen from the Intoleristas
                    certainly looks like<br>
                    > > intolerance to me.  Most of the responses
                    have either been attempts to<br>
                    > > show me that Doug Wilson is so bad that
                    being intolerant of him is our<br>
                    > > civic duty, or a shocked reaction to the
                    fact that I really don't care<br>
                    > > what nonsense others believe.  Oh, and a
                    few attempts to tie my lack of<br>
                    > > caring about other's personal beliefs with
                    either character flaws, my<br>
                    > > race, gender, and economic status, or
                    support for murder, racial<br>
                    > > violence, or the Nazi party.<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > Paul<br>
                    > ><br>
                    > > On 03/31/2012 10:39 AM, Sunil Ramalingam
                    wrote:<br>
                    > > > Paul,<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > If the Klan wants to hold a parade, I
                    defend their right to do so. I<br>
                    > > > won't try to prevent them from having
                    their parade.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > But I will be there to protest them
                    and their opinions, and will<br>
                    > > > support the right of others to do the
                    same.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > People have the right to any view
                    they want, as far as I'm concerned,<br>
                    > > > and I think we agree here. What they
                    don't have is the right to have<br>
                    > > > us all say, 'That's just dandy.' We
                    have the right to judge their<br>
                    > > > views, and oppose them if we think
                    they're wrong. I get the feeling<br>
                    > > > you don't think we have that right.
                    Am I correct about that?<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > Sunil<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    >
                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                    > > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:31:41 -0700<br>
                    > > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
                    > > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br>
                    > > > CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                    > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "We are the
                    answer"<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > On 03/31/2012 10:07 AM, Art Deco
                    wrote:<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     1. Rumelhart writes:<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     "If black teenagers wearing hoods
                    were being harassed here in<br>
                    > > >     Moscow, I'd be suggesting that we
                    should all be more tolerant of<br>
                    > > >     others on this list.  If Muslim
                    women in Moscow were being<br>
                    > > >     harassed I'd be suggesting that
                    we should all be more tolerant of<br>
                    > > >     each other."<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     Hence, Rumelhart would also
                    heartily agree with the same amount of<br>
                    > > >     tenacity to the following:<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     "If KKK members wearing hoods
                    were being harassed here in Moscow,<br>
                    > > >     I'd be suggesting that we should
                    all be more tolerant of others on<br>
                    > > >     this list.  If Aryan Nations
                    members and other white supremacists<br>
                    > > >     in Moscow were being harassed I'd
                    be suggesting that we should all<br>
                    > > >     be more tolerant of each other."<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > Yes, actually I would.  If one group
                    is harassing another group merely<br>
                    > > > because of their beliefs, then, yes,
                    I would be calling for more<br>
                    > > > tolerance.  I'm not saying that would
                    be my reaction if KKK members<br>
                    > > > were physically harassing non-whites
                    on the streets, but it would be<br>
                    > > > my reaction if someone just simply
                    declared that they supported the<br>
                    > > > KKK and they were getting harassed
                    for it.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > It's really not that difficult of a
                    concept.  It's not my purpose in<br>
                    > > > life to force everyone to think my
                    way.  Individualism and the<br>
                    > > > sanctity of the mind are important
                    concepts to me.  I'm only<br>
                    > > > interested in how we all interact in
                    the physical plane.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > Just out of curiosity, if someone
                    produced a mind control device that<br>
                    > > > could be used on people to (among
                    other things) change their core<br>
                    > > > beliefs, would you recommend we use
                    it on KKK members?<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     2.  Rumelhart also writes:<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     "But if one particular faith is
                    being singled out because of their<br>
                    > > >     beliefs and some bad blood
                    between list members, I'm effectively<br>
                    > > >     shunned if I suggest that we be
                    more tolerant of them."<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     So now its all about you,
                    Rumelhart.  Who would have guessed?<br>
                    > > >     Poor, poor Rumelhart.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > Thank you for your kind words, but I
                    don't really care that much about<br>
                    > > > it.  I'm just pointing out that a
                    mere request for tolerance can't be<br>
                    > > > tolerated on this list.  I don't know
                    about you, but I find that<br>
                    > ironic.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > > Paul  (or, if you wish, "Rumelhart")<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     w.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:24 PM,
                    keely emerinemix<br>
                    > > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com</a>>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         No, Paul, it is NOT "the main
                    point of contention" that the<br>
                    > > >         Christ Church people "simply
                    think that the historical facts<br>
                    > > >         of slavery differ from what's
                    normally understood by<br>
                    > > >         historians" -- two of whose
                    criticism of that view caused our<br>
                    > > >         thin-skinned patriarchal
                    bigot Wilson to seek their censure by<br>
                    > > >         the Governor and the UI
                    President.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         Just to give you an idea of
                    how generous Wilson is in his<br>
                    > > >         extension of the freedom of
                    others to interfere with his<br>
                    > > >         mission . . .<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         Wilson's beliefs are made
                    manifest in his words, and those<br>
                    > > >         words promote ideas that are
                    dangerous to civil, stable<br>
                    > > >         society as you or I know it,
                    and sound the death knell to<br>
                    > > >         anything resembling a
                    flourishing, just and righteous -- or<br>
                    > > >         Christian -- society beyond
                    that.  His proud claim to be a<br>
                    > > >         "paleo-Confederate," his
                    buddying around with<br>
                    > > >         Neo-Confederates, his
                    attempts to persuade his followers that<br>
                    > > >         Blacks enjoyed being enslaved
                    and his insistence that such<br>
                    > > >         slavery was Biblical -- all
                    of this hints, minimally, at<br>
                    > > >         something less than mere
                    errors of historical understanding.<br>
                    > > >         I'm a Bible student, not a
                    scholar, but I can assure you that<br>
                    > > >         Antebellum slavery was in no
                    way similar to Roman or earlier<br>
                    > > >         Hebraic slaveholding, and it
                    was not at any point "Biblically<br>
                    > > >         defensible."  Given that he
                    makes his living pulling the<br>
                    > > >         hermeneutical and political
                    wool over other Christians' eyes,<br>
                    > > >         it damned well matters.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         It's one thing to simply err
                    in one's grasp of history.  I'm<br>
                    > > >         probably not the person to go
                    to on the finer details of the<br>
                    > > >         Pelopennesian Wars, for
                    example, but my errors would be<br>
                    > > >         inconsequential and subject
                    to the derision they deserve if I<br>
                    > > >         choose to spout off on that
                    of which I know nothing, although<br>
                    > > >         if I "see differently" in the
                    service of a dangerous agenda,<br>
                    > > >         much less call that agenda
                    "Christian," I deserve every bit of<br>
                    > > >         condemnation I incur.  I
                    won't call you "evil" for it, but I<br>
                    > > >         struggle with how to tell you
                    how little I care that you and<br>
                    > > >         others consider me
                    "intolerant" for condemning Wilson and his<br>
                    > > >         lackeys (a term I used in
                    speaking to him by phone three weeks<br>
                    > > >         ago, just in case you think I
                    feel like it's OK to just scurry<br>
                    > > >         around Vision 2020 rather
                    than engage courageously with him<br>
                    > > >         personally.  Been there, done
                    that, will do it again any time<br>
                    > > >         he's up to it).<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         I laugh when, in the movie
                    "Best In Show," the announcer<br>
                    > > >         intones that Columbus came
                    over on the Mayflower.  Such<br>
                    > > >         ignorance is funny in reel
                    life, sad in real life.  But I<br>
                    > > >         would urge you to really
                    consider if all "different thinking"<br>
                    > > >         on historical, social,
                    political, and religious matters is<br>
                    > > >         benign and worthy of defense.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         In this case, we have an
                    indefensible malignancy of the worst<br>
                    > > >         type -- that which invokes
                    God.  Its spread won't be because I<br>
                    > > >         and a few others stayed
                    silent in its metastasizing.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         Keely<br>
                    > > >         <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
                      target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br>
                    > > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
                      target="_blank">http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a>><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > >
                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                    > > >         Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012
                    20:51:40 -0700<br>
                    > > >         From: <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>
                    > > >         To: <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>
                    > > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>><br>
                    > > >         CC: <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "We
                    are the answer"<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         If members of Christ Church
                    were going around enslaving<br>
                    > > >         people, you might have a
                    point.  As it is, they simply think<br>
                    > > >         that the historical facts of
                    slavery differ from what's<br>
                    > > >         normally understood by
                    historians.  I'm not comfortable<br>
                    > > >         ostracizing a group merely
                    because of what they think about<br>
                    > > >         something.  That seems to be
                    the main point of contention,<br>
                    > here.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         There is a huge difference
                    between murdering a person based<br>
                    > > >         solely on their race or
                    culture, and thinking, well, whatever<br>
                    > > >         it is that the Christ
                    Churchers think exactly about slavery in<br>
                    > > >         the Old South.  Or, more
                    simply, between murdering anyone for<br>
                    > > >         any reason and thinking
                    thoughts others find offensive.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         Paul<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >         On 03/30/2012 07:49 PM,
                    Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >             Paul,<br>
                    > > >             You are right that
                    everyone needs to work on caring and<br>
                    > > >             accepting their neighbors
                    for the people that they are.<br>
                    > > >             However, it should
                    concern you that some people do not<br>
                    > > >             acknowledge the human
                    atrocities that occurred with the<br>
                    > > >             slavery of a race not
                    that long ago. A race that even<br>
                    > > >             today feels and sufferers
                    the consequences of those<br>
                    > > >             events. It is in effect
                    racist to not acknowledge the<br>
                    > > >             human suffering and
                    violations that occurred to a race of<br>
                    > > >             people. If we can ignore
                    or deceive others into ignoring<br>
                    > > >             one of the greatest human
                    rights violations in the United<br>
                    > > >             States, than we can
                    easily ignore all other human rights<br>
                    > > >             violations. Which, in
                    effect, puts all humans, including<br>
                    > > >             yourself and everyone you
                    care about at risk. Where one<br>
                    > > >             person's rights are
                    ignored and violated, everyone<br>
                    > > >             else can be violated as
                    well. That should concern you. It<br>
                    > > >             is not the practice or
                    belief in a religion that people<br>
                    > > >             object to, but rather the
                    practice of racist preaching<br>
                    > > >             that the violation of
                    human rights that occurred to Blacks<br>
                    > > >             in the United States
                    really didn't happen that people are<br>
                    > > >             objecting to.<br>
                    > > >             Donovan Arnold<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >             *From:* Paul Rumelhart
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>
                    > > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>
                    > > >             *To:* Saundra Lund <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br>
                    > > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>><br>
                    > > >             *Cc:* <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
                    > > >             *Sent:* Friday, March 30,
                    2012 6:59 PM<br>
                    > > >             *Subject:* Re:
                    [Vision2020] "We are the answer"<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >             If black teenagers
                    wearing hoods were being harassed here<br>
                    > > >             in Moscow, I'd<br>
                    > > >             be suggesting that we
                    should all be more tolerant of<br>
                    > > >             others on this<br>
                    > > >             list.  If Muslim women in
                    Moscow were being harassed I'd<br>
                    > > >             be suggesting<br>
                    > > >             that we should all be
                    more tolerant of each other.  But if<br>
                    > > >             one<br>
                    > > >             particular faith is being
                    singled out because of their<br>
                    > > >             beliefs and some<br>
                    > > >             bad blood between list
                    members, I'm effectively shunned if<br>
                    > > >             I suggest<br>
                    > > >             that we be more tolerant
                    of them.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >             What a world.<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >             Paul<br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >             On 03/30/2012 02:25 PM,
                    Saundra Lund wrote:<br>
                    > > > > Visionaries:<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > I know not all here would agree
                    -- some choose to focus<br>
                    > > >             on the "intolerance"<br>
                    > > > > of so-called Intoleristas rather
                    than on the public<br>
                    > > >             intolerance of bigoted<br>
                    > > > > groups that galvanized some of
                    us to pull our complacent<br>
                    > > >             heads from the sand<br>
                    > > > > -- but this eloquently and
                    accurately reflects my thoughts:<br>
                    > > > > "We must be active architects of
                    a better country and a<br>
                    > > >             better world.<br>
                    > > > > Silence in the face of bigotry
                    and discrimination is<br>
                    > > >             agreement and consent.<br>
                    > > > > We must challenge every instance
                    of inequality, no<br>
                    > > >             matter how small it is.<br>
                    > > > > While overcoming our history's
                    dark side is not<br>
                    > > >             pleasant, it is something
                    we<br>
                    > > > > must actively do every day."<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > Here's the full letter that was
                    published in today's<br>
                    > > >             Moscow-Pullman Daily<br>
                    > > > > News:<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > Letter to the Editor<br>
                    > > > > We are the answer<br>
                    > > > > Posted: Friday, March 30, 2012
                    1:00 am | Updated: 8:22<br>
                    > > >             am, Fri Mar 30, 2012.<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > My heart is deeply grieved by
                    the recent news that<br>
                    > > >             Shaima Alawadi, an Iraqi<br>
                    > > > > mother of five living in
                    California was beaten to death<br>
                    > > >             by a tire iron.<br>
                    > > > > Found on her body was a note
                    that said, "Go back to your<br>
                    > > >             own country. You're<br>
                    > > > > a terrorist." This incident
                    shows the long-reaching<br>
                    > > >             effects the political<br>
                    > > > > rhetoric and rancor of the past
                    10 years has had on the<br>
                    > > >             American psyche. A<br>
                    > > > > spark of anger and hatred
                    spurred by our popular culture<br>
                    > > >             and political<br>
                    > > > > leaders has turned into a fire
                    within the fringe of our<br>
                    > > >             country.<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > Gay youth are committing suicide
                    due to relentless<br>
                    > > >             intimidation and<br>
                    > > > > harassment. Travyon Martin was
                    gunned down for what some<br>
                    > > >             call "wearing a<br>
                    > > > > hood while black." And the
                    murder of Alawadi. All point<br>
                    > > >             to a startling<br>
                    > > > > problem. There is a dark side of
                    American culture. While<br>
                    > > >             it's underground,<br>
                    > > > > it's still there. A deep seated
                    resentment of other<br>
                    > > >             races, of people unlike<br>
                    > > > > us, lies in the hearts of many.
                    This dark side exists<br>
                    > > >             everywhere. I cannot<br>
                    > > > > count how many times I have
                    heard racial, homophobic and<br>
                    > > >             sexist slurs at<br>
                    > > > > sporting events, social
                    gatherings, even in the work<br>
                    > > >             place and classes. This<br>
                    > > > > isn't just a problem isolated to
                    my community, but it is<br>
                    > > >             ingrained within<br>
                    > > > > the very fabric of our society.<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > It would be easy for us to give
                    up hope, hope of a<br>
                    > > >             better tomorrow, a<br>
                    > > > > tomorrow without wrathful hatred
                    and reckless violence.<br>
                    > > >             But we cannot. We<br>
                    > > > > are the answer to the problem.
                    We must be active<br>
                    > > >             architects of a better<br>
                    > > > > country and a better world.
                    Silence in the face of<br>
                    > > >             bigotry and<br>
                    > > > > discrimination is agreement and
                    consent. We must<br>
                    > > >             challenge every instance
                    of<br>
                    > > > > inequality, no matter how small
                    it is. While overcoming<br>
                    > > >             our history's dark<br>
                    > > > > side is not pleasant, it is
                    something we must actively<br>
                    > > >             do every day.<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > Derrick Skaug<br>
                    > > > > ASWSU Vice-President Elect<br>
                    > > > > Pullman<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > __________<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > Indeed.<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > Saundra Lund<br>
                    > > > > Moscow, ID<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > > The only thing necessary for the
                    triumph of evil is for<br>
                    > > >             good people to do<br>
                    > > > > nothing.<br>
                    > > > > ~ Edmund Burke<br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > ><br>
                    > > > ><br>
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                    > > >             serving the communities
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                      href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net/</a>><br>
                    > > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    > > >         services made available by
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                    > > >         communities of the Palouse
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                      href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
                    > > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    > > >        
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                    > > >        
                    =======================================================<br>
                    > > >          List services made available
                    by First Step Internet,<br>
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                      href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
                    > > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                    > > > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >     --<br>
                    > > >     Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>
                    > > >     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >    
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                    First Step Internet,<br>
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                      href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
                    > > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                    > > >    
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                    > > ><br>
                    > > ><br>
                    > > >
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                    > > > made available by First Step
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                    > > > Palouse since 1994. <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.fsr.net"
                      target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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                      href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
                    > > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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                href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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          <br>
          -- <br>
          Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br>
          <br>
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          services made available by First Step Internet, serving the
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