<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div>"Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope."</div><div> </div><div>Robert F. Kennedy</div><div>(1925-1968, American Attorney General, Senator)</div><br><div>Seeya round town, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Moscow, Idaho</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Mar 28, 2012, at 20:18, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<br>
Evil, huh. You give these guys too much power. Try acceptance,
tolerance, and dialogue. If you think Christ Church is evil, then
you have no clue what evil really is.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 03/28/2012 04:17 PM, Art Deco wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:CAB8VJX79r2YwChZgOqzdhHmQfxLp+7+tAXVX0b3ci-xdm-U88Q@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Didn't Edmund Burke write:<br>
<br>
<h2><font color="#800000">‘All that is necessary for the triumph
of evil is that good men <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">[and
women]</span> do
nothing’</font></h2>
<br>
Rose and her friends are obviously of the Edmund Burke school of
thought and action. Rumelhart not. <br>
<br>
But we nknew that when Rumelhart failed to respond to the
questions about the likelihood of serial pedophile Steven Sitler
future behavior. Rumelhart is a bystander in the quest for a
better, more just world. He fits the mold that Cultmaster Douglas
Wilson hopes that the majority of Moscow citizen's fit.<br>
<br>
w.<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Darrell
Keim <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
Love this quote, Rose! Why, you ask? Cuz if the pope REALLY
was infallible the world would be flat and fascism WOULD be
dead! The fact of the latter two negates the former. Makes
me chuckle...<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Rosemary Huskey <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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1ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);" class="gmail_quote">
...Of course you
<div class="im"><br>
and anyone else is free to think the world is flat, the
pope is infallible,<br>
</div>
and fascism is dead...Rose Huskey
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<div class="h5"><br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a></a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:07 PM<br>
To: Ted Moffett<br>
Cc: Rosemary Huskey; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a>;
vision2020<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Posturing Ennui: Deja Vu All
Over Again<br>
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<br>
I'm still amazed that I can be called "basically
disinterested in universal<br>
human rights" because I don't care what a person's
opinion on antebellum<br>
slavery is. I didn't say that I don't care about the
plight of slaves in<br>
that time frame, mind you, just that I don't care what
someone else's<br>
opinion on the subject is. Do people here know or
care what their grocer<br>
thinks about the Bataan Death March? Or what their
hair stylist thinks<br>
about Nagasaki or Hiroshima?<br>
<br>
The doubly amazing part to me is that this can be
directly attributed<br>
automatically to my ethnicity, gender, and economic
level without causing an<br>
outrage on this list.<br>
<br>
For the record, I have this belief that people should
be allowed to think<br>
what they want, believe what they want, and hold
whatever opinions they want<br>
whether or not I agree with them. Crazy, I know.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 03/28/2012 10:32 AM, Ted Moffett wrote:<br>
> There's no harm in repeating important points,
indeed it is often<br>
> necessary, unavoidable, so this post is not meant
as criticism of<br>
> anyone.<br>
><br>
> When I read the recent March 2012 exchange under
the subject heading<br>
> "Posturing Ennui" as indicated in the altered
subject heading of this<br>
> post, I was amazed to recall that these three
individuals (Tom, Paul,<br>
> Rose) in 2009 exchanged dialog where the exact
same wording was used<br>
> about roughly the same subject, implying that
being "white, male,<br>
> middle class" was an influence in one of the
respondents views on how<br>
> to deal with racism or slavery or hate crimes:<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-August/065757.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-August/065757.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-August/065757.html</a></a><br>
> [Vision2020] Officials Counter Racist Acts
Rosemary donaldrose at<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cpcinternet.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://cpcinternet.com">cpcinternet.com</a></a>
Sat Aug 22 16:50:32 PDT 2009<br>
><br>
> Tom is dead on to raise the alarm about this guy.
Paul, your sense of<br>
> white, male, middle class entitlement is showing.
I guess you don't<br>
> understand that silence is assent - or you don't
care.<br>
> -----------------------<br>
> And in March 2012 in the post below:<br>
><br>
> "I’m guessing that you are basically
disinterested in universal human<br>
> rights because you are lucky enough to be born
male, white, and middle<br>
class..."<br>
><br>
> On 3/25/12, Rosemary Huskey<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> You have identified the nub of the problem,
Paul when you write: “I<br>
>> don't particularly care what views a person
holds about antebellum<br>
>> slavery, or who they think should be in
charge of the finances in their<br>
marriage.”<br>
>><br>
>> Why is antebellum slavery (and its unhappy,
damning legacy)<br>
>> unimportant to you? Aren’t you appalled by a
culture that frequently<br>
>> treated human beings with less regard than
domestic farm animals?<br>
>> Don’t you find it obscene that anyone would
glorify and defend the<br>
>> vicious, repulsive culture of the Old South?
Is antebellum slavery<br>
>> outside your realm of interest because it was
a historic rather than<br>
>> a contemporary event? If so, are you equally
indifferent to modern<br>
>> slavery in parts of Africa, Saudi Arabia, and
other Middle Eastern<br>
countries?<br>
>><br>
>> Do recent hate crimes arouse a sense of
outrage in you? Do you feel<br>
>> compassion for the victims? How do you feel
about the murders of<br>
Matthew<br>
>> Shepherd or James Byrd? Is there a gaping
hole where your conscience<br>
>> ought to be? Are you are aware that your
posturing ennui gives tacit<br>
>> consent to the hate mongering antics of
sociopaths?<br>
>><br>
>> I’m guessing that you are basically
disinterested in universal human<br>
>> rights because you are lucky enough to be
born male, white, and<br>
>> middle class – all of which are unearned
privilege. And, really, if<br>
>> you think the most damaging aspect of
patriarchy is limited to who is<br>
>> in charge of family finance (the words “in
charge” are particularly<br>
>> revealing, Paul) you are entirely, 100%, just
plain old, ordinarily,<br>
>> wrong while concurrently demonstrating a
profound ignorance about<br>
>> elements of successful relationships,
marriage and/or partnerships.<br>
>><br>
>> Rose Huskey<br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a></a><br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a></a>]<br>
>> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart<br>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:07 AM<br>
>> To: Tom Hansen<br>
>> Cc: vision2020<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps .
. .<br>
>><br>
>> This is a nice example of the intolerance I'm
talking about. I don't<br>
>> particularly care what views a person holds
about antebellum slavery,<br>
>> or who they think should be in charge of the
finances in their<br>
>> marriage. I'll still sit down and have a
beer with them.<br>
>><br>
>> If the Intoleristas had instead been of the
frame of mind of "sorry,<br>
>> we're not going to let you turn the Palouse
into a theocracy, but<br>
>> we're still happy to have you as part of our
community", then they<br>
>> might not have been so quick to accuse some
of you of vandalism when<br>
>> they reported the incidents to the police.
Go out of your way to<br>
>> make yourself someone's enemy, and they will
think of you first when<br>
something like that happens to them.<br>
>><br>
>> Paul<br>
>><br>
>> On 03/25/2012 04:37 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Intoleristas<br>
>><br>
>> (in tol er és ta), n.<br>
>><br>
>> * A person holding anti-slavery sentiments<br>
>> * A committed feminist.<br>
>> * A supporter of the Constitution, human
rights, and equality for all,<br>
>> regardless of race, ethnicity, gender,
religion, economic status, or<br>
>> sexual orientation.<br>
>> * A person with a wholesome proclivity for
outing shifty hypocrites,<br>
>> shameless liars, and sham historians.<br>
>> * A person who is neither intimidated nor
silenced by right-wing,<br>
theocratic<br>
>> bullies, or their sycophantic toadies.<br>
>> * A person who wears the title proudly as
a reminder that he/she is<br>
about<br>
>> the business of democracy.<br>
>><br>
>> "It is not so much what we are as much as
what we are about."<br>
>><br>
>> A flash from the past . . .<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3">http://www.tomandrodna.com/sounds/Intoleristas_020405.mp3</a></a><br>
>><br>
>> Who can forget . . .<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf">http://www.notonthepalouse.com/documents/Crouch_LMT_071506.pdf</a></a><br>
>><br>
>> Let the whine flow . . .<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf">http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Wilson_MPDcomplaint_071506.pdf</a></a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg">http://www.tomandrodna.com/stuff/Dickison_RecReq.jpg</a></a><br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate">http://www.tomandrodna.com/writofmandate</a></a><br>
>> ----------------------<br>
>> There is, literally, loads and loads more,
Mr. Rumelhart . . . like<br>
>> letters sent from the un-pastor to
then-Governor Kempthorne and<br>
>> then-UI President White . . . Doug "Charlie
Brown" Wilson's speech at<br>
>> the Public Civility Forum at the Hamilton
Indoor Recreation Center a<br>
>> few years ago . . . the Great Christ Church
Debate between the<br>
>> Un-Pastor and the Intoleristas' own Keely Mix
on KRFP. I could go on and<br>
on and on and . . .<br>
>><br>
>> I'll jus' leevya with His Whineyness' own
words . . .<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3">http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3</a></a><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for the promo, though.<br>
>><br>
>> image.jpeg<br>
>> Seeya there, Moscow.<br>
>><br>
>> Tom Hansen<br>
>><br>
>> Wallace, Idaho<br>
>><br>
>> "If not us, who?<br>
>><br>
>> If not now, when?"<br>
>><br>
>> - Unknown<br>
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