<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Art Deco</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .<br>To: Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><br><br>Oh my, Gary.<br><br>Your hero, Cultmaster Douglas Wilson, has declared war several times redeclared that war just last fall on all those that do not subscribe to his beliefs which includs not only those pesky villains on V2020, but about 99% of the U.S. population. He seeks to impose his strictures on everyone's behavior and beliefs including the death penalty for those who disagree. What a tolerant man! What a prince!<br>
<br>And those that oppose his ideas by legal means are the intolerant ones?
We are to mutely stand by while he attempts to gain his goals by fair
means and foul?<br>
<br>When someone declares war on me, I do not stand by and go "Ho-Hum." I suggest those that do so have not appreciated the following and might do well to think about what it means for everyone.<br><br><p style>
<font>"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
-- Wendell Phillips<a href="http://www.libertystory.net/LSAACTIONPHILLIPS.htm" target="_blank"></a>,</font></p><p style><font>
</font></p><p style><font face="Arial,Helvetica">“There is no safety for honest men except
by believing all possible evil of evil men.”</font><font> -- </font><font face="Arial,Helvetica">Edmund
Burke.</font>
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</p><font><br style></font>Of course, the TPers and other pseudo-libertarians are fond of quoting the above when they claim their liberties are threatened, but they they get furiously upset when others following the same principles attack their sacred cows. <br>
<br>Look in the mirror, Gary: Wilson is allowed with impunity to crusade for Draconian intolerance and gets a free pass from you while those that oppose him are condemned for daring to express and to act legally in our opposition, and when some of Wilson's tactics are used against him (the serrated edge, e.g.) the howling gets even more furious.<br>
<br>It is revealing that those that posture themselves in believing in liberty and freedom are among the first to cry foul when those whose ideas they oppose express themselves. <br><br>No one I know is denying Wilson's right to express and to argue for his beliefs, nor your right to defend and to argue for Wilson's or your own unique beliefs. But in effect, you and Rumelhart are arguing against those opposed to Wilson and his his ideas from doing the same,and in the manner we choose. However, if you wish to weep about the treatment the poor Cultmaster Douglas Wilson is the butt of, perhaps you better drink a lot more Keystone: you will need a huge supply of tears in the coming times.<br>
<br>And Paul:<br><br>Perspective?<br><br>Did the advances in civil rights and recognition of personhood and equity over the past 100 years for blacks come about by blacks saying to the KKK and others "Wow! We really disagree, but let's celebrate our differences and welcome each other with open arms.". Has the march toward equal rights for women, gays, Hispanics progressed because those groups welcomed their opposition with open arms? For example, do you think that George Wallace would have ever changed his mind without all the strife, misery, bloodshed, etc that directed/forced attention on the plight of blacks?<br>
<br>Get real.<br><br>There are some people with whom is is possible to discuss volatile issues with civilly, and in some cases minds are changed by such discussion. Civil, but basically secret, discussion with certain cult members has resulted in change, mostly by those formerly of the cult becoming apostate despite Wilson's rule that cult members are not allowed to hear or to read any criticism of the cult and especially of Wilson himself, the inerrant God figure.. <br>
<br><b style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">Cultmaster Douglas Wilson has avowed that he will never change</b>. His writings affirm this. In fact, as his influence and following, national and locally, wanes, his assertions, imperatives, and strictures are becoming more and more strident, and his methods more devious. And there are the long standing, numerous examples of Wilson's gross dishonesty. Why would any rational person believe that a constructive dialogue could take place with Wilson which would result in his changing his goals for any of his drastic plans for abridgement of everyone's freedom and the forceful worship of his ugly, vengeful God?<br>
<br>This fact is amply illustrated by history: When any tyrant bases the rules of his tyranny on religious grounds claiming actions based on and completely in accord with some alleged God, there is no room to reason with that tyrant since there is no way to disprove statements where no evidence is possible. Such believers are also immune to the fact that their beliefs are logically inconsistent. Disaster has always been the eventual result of such tyranny, and most likely, will be in the future. Early opposition to possible disaster is the watchword.<br>
<br>Belief is one of the foundations of behavior. Beliefs have behavioral and thus social and political consequences. Anyone familiar with historical and especially current conflict of ideas/belief can scarcely believe that civil, respectful discourse will change all minds. Nor will any observant person fail to realize the use of incivility to bring about attention to problems and to motivate people to do something about them. Fact of life on this planet.<br>
<br>Cultmaster Douglas Wilson has declared war. He now pathetically whines that battle has been joined. He does not like the the results of that battle since it has exposed him as a sexist, racist, fearful homophobic, theocrat, etc, not to mention a crackpot, con artist, egomaniac, megalomaniac, laughing stock, out of touch clown, and leper to many.<br>
<br>So Paul, you can continue to urge that Wilson be welcomed with open arms. It is unlikely that will happen. Such a hope is pissing into the wind. Hardly anyone wants to have unsafe sex with a STD laden whore. The price is too high at any cost, and the hope grossly irrational. <br>
<br>w.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Seriously? Get some perspective, please.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 03/25/2012 07:35 PM, Art Deco wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Rumelhart writes:<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">"To me, the obviously right
thing to do is to stop fighting them and to welcome them with
open arms,"</span><br>
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Just like the Jews should have welcomed the Nazis?<br>
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Delusional.<br>
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w.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Paul
Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
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<div> On 03/25/2012 03:34 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">“</span>I don't particularly
care what views a person holds about antebellum
slavery”<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bully for you. Personally, I
believe that revisionist history whitewashing the
real horror of antebellum slavery is not only
wrong, but it’s also incredibly offensive,
disrespectful, and morally indefensible for
self-professing Christians. I subscribe to the
maxim that those who don’t remember history are
bound to repeat it.</span></p>
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Great. I'm not trying to get you to agree with the Kirk,
I'm trying to get you to be tolerant of the fact that they
believe things that you think are utter garbage.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul also wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">“</span>If the Intoleristas had
instead been of the frame of mind of "sorry, we're
not going to let you turn the Palouse into a
theocracy, but we're still happy to have you as part
of our community", then they might not have been so
quick to accuse some of you of vandalism”<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">There ya go again with your
revisionism. The fact of the matter is that’s
exactly what happened for years and years, and you
can see where that got us. Christ Church became
bolder & bolder about flouting the law and
bolder in their local attacks against all who
disagreed with them. For instance, Wilson et al
were beyond livid that two UI historians wrote a
book review refuting the nonsense in Wilson’s
& Wilkin’s heavily plagiarized monograph,
“Southern Slavery As It Was,” and went whining all
the way to the governor not threatening the UI
(you know the kind of non-threat: the same game
they’ve played at least twice in trying to get
V2020 shut down, filing completely bogus zoning
complaints against the UI, the “Topless &
Proud” stunt using stolen UI resources – they
still think that was the best prank ever, etc.),
demanding “discipline” (presumably not the way
they allow schools to physically discipline
students) for the two profs for – gasp – actually
doing their jobs & so forth.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Since your memory is . . .
curiously selective, how about checking out:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://hnn.us/articles/9142.html" target="_blank">http://hnn.us/articles/9142.html</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is the perspective of one
of the “Intolerista” professors Wilson & his
minions demanded be disciplined. Note: Ramsey
certainly didn’t consider himself an
“Intolerista,” but that’s the label Wilson painted
him with simply for daring to disagree with
Wilson’s & Wilkin’s revisionist history by
writing a scholarly critique of SSAIW. That’s the
Kirk’s idea of “working together.”</span></p>
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First of all, my memory is not selective. I'm not trying to
choose a winner in this fight of yours, I'm hoping that "you
guys", the liberal crowd in this town that I used to have so
much respect for, take back the upper ground and at least
try to bridge this gap. I realize that some of the Christ
Church members have not played nice all the time. It takes
two to tango, is all I'm saying.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul, I had been concerned that
you appear to post to V2020 during UI working
hours. Another favorite tactic used by the Kirk
to “discipline” dissenters is to “go after” UI
& WSU employees in attempts to get them fired
for doing things like posting to V2020 during
working hours . . . and sometimes, for what they
do in their personal hours (i.e., Prof. Dale
Graden having the nerve to write a letter to the
editor). As a staff person, you are a much easier
target than are professors.</span></p>
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I thank you for your concern. I will be more careful in the
future. I usually only post quick simple posts when I
happen to be checking my personal email at work.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">I quit worrying, though,
because since you only selectively “care” about
the Constitutional freedoms that are the basis of
this country, you relish attacking those of us
(“you people”) who vocally disagree with attempts
to use laws to wage culture wars against all who
don’t share their particular flavor of
Christianity. They won’t go after you because you
have never offered any substantive criticism of
their antics.</span></p>
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Your right, I don't care about Constitutional freedoms.
When have I ever posted about that stupid piece of paper and
it's so-called "freedoms"? I suppose it's my complete lack
of compassion and empathy for others that's to blame.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">You are, in fact,
intolerant of our beliefs and freely toss around
inaccurate and dishonest stereotypes &
imaginary events about those opposed to any
flavor theocracy why while trying to convince us
that you are some kind of “Tolerance” poster
boy.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Not even close, and definitely
no cigar for you </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(31,73,125)">J</span></p>
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Let me get this straight. You're calling me out for being
intolerant of your intolerance. I really don't know what to
say to that.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">In another post, you wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">“</span>They coined the term,
you all chose to use it as a badge of honor, and
you're surprised they refer to you by that name?”<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Huh – is that your attitude
about Traynor Martin being targeted because he
wore a hoody in the “wrong” neighborhood? Or
about </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN">Shaima Alawadi being
targeted because she was an Iraqi woman in
American who wore a hajib? Sounds pretty close to
blaming the victims to me.</span></p>
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So, what's the connection between the death of Trayvon
Martin and some Christ Church members using the term
"intolerista" as a pejorative? You have claimed the term as
your own. It only makes sense that they would use that term
when referring to you.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN">You don’t like the
fact that some of Wilson’s targets took his
pejorative and accurately & appropriately
redefined it – too bad for you, and too bad for
Wilson. I know he & his ilk were desperately
hoping his neologism would catch on and become
another weapon for his culture war. It didn’t <b>because</b>
those of us he targeted had the mother with to
take the wind out of his sail – even Wikipedia
booted the word & original definition out </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN">J</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN"> You <b>weren’t</b>
the target, so I really don’t give a rip that you
don’t like that some have claimed the weapon
wielded against them.</span></p>
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What I don't like is when you use the term as a rallying cry
against another group in this community. I don't like the
fight that has been going on in this community, and I'm
working with the people I most identify with to see if I can
get anyone interested in stopping it. So far, I've had zero
luck. If I were a Christ Churcher, I would be trying to
convince them to stop doing the things they do to widen this
divide.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">One other thing . . . in a more
recent post, you wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">“</span>When you actually
converse with someone from Christ Church on these
topics, you can often-times see where they are
coming from. You might not agree, but you can see
where they are coming from based on their specific
world view.”<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Oh, get over yourself, Paul!
You seem to think you are the <b>only</b> one to
have done so, and you couldn’t be more wrong.
Nick, Keely, Rose, and I here as well as others
not here have <b>all </b>engaged in extensive
discussion with Wilson and his followers over the
years and had cordial relationships with some,
not-so-cordial with others (i.e., I take offense
at being told by one of Wilson’s head minions that
God had deafened & blinded me).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">But, intelligent people can’t
get away from the fact that what they want is a
theocracy so that the teeth of the law will force
those of us who disagree with their moral code to
follow it or Be Punished here on earth.</span></p>
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I doubt that they are the only group in town that would
institute laws favorable to them if they had half a chance.
I don't want a theocracy any more than you do, but I don't
fault them for wanting one. They think their God demands
it, or that they would have a chance at saving people from
eternal torment if they could get that put in place.
Luckily for me, there is a political process that they have
to go through, and a Constitution that expressly forbids
much of what they would propose. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Just as I have no interest in
“hanging” with racist Kluckers or the anti-choice
crowd that advocates violence or the anti-gay
crowd that wants death for gays or the anti-women
crowd who thinks women belong barefoot &
chained to the stove with the chain only long
enough to reach the bedroom, I have no interest in
“hanging” with those who want nothing more here on
earth than theocracy and “forced salvation” for
“Believers” and “unbelievers” alike.</span></p>
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Aside from the groups that actively promote violence, I
would have no problem hanging out with a group whose beliefs
or ideals I disagree with. I don't see this as a bad
thing. I'd hate it if everyone in the world though the
exact same way I did.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Does that mean I wouldn’t shove
someone – anyone -- out of the way of a bus, or
not turn my garden hose on their house fire, or
drive past someone with car trouble?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Of course not, no matter how
much you desperately want to convince people
otherwise.</span></p>
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I am not surprised at all that you would help someone out
whose ideals you disagree with. It's the fact that "you
guys" are good people that really puzzles me in this. To
me, the obviously right thing to do is to stop fighting them
and to welcome them with open arms, despite your
differences. <br>
<span><font color="#888888"> <br>
Paul</font></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Saundra</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Paul Rumelhart [<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Saundra Lund; vision2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Question,
V-Peeps . . .</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a nice example of the
intolerance I'm talking about. I don't
particularly care what views a person holds about
antebellum slavery, or who they think should be in
charge of the finances in their marriage. I'll
still sit down and have a beer with them.<br>
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If the Intoleristas had instead been of the frame
of mind of "sorry, we're not going to let you turn
the Palouse into a theocracy, but we're still
happy to have you as part of our community", then
they might not have been so quick to accuse some
of you of vandalism when they reported the
incidents to the police. Go out of your way to
make yourself someone's enemy, and they will think
of you first when something like that happens to
them.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 03/25/2012 04:37 AM, Tom Hansen wrote: </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b><i><span style="font-size:36pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Intoleristas</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">(in
tol er és ta), n.</span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:9pt;margin-bottom:9pt;text-align:center;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A
person holding
anti-slavery sentiments</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:9pt;margin-bottom:9pt;text-align:center;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A
committed feminist.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:9pt;margin-bottom:9pt;text-align:center;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A
supporter of the
Constitution, human
rights, and equality for
all, regardless of race,
ethnicity, gender,
religion, economic
status, or sexual
orientation.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:9pt;margin-bottom:9pt;text-align:center;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A
person with a wholesome
proclivity for outing
shifty hypocrites,
shameless liars,
and sham historians.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:9pt;margin-bottom:9pt;text-align:center;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A
person who is neither
intimidated nor silenced
by right-wing,
theocratic bullies, or
their sycophantic
toadies.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:9pt;margin-bottom:9pt;text-align:center;line-height:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A
person who wears the
title proudly as a
reminder that he/she is
about the business of
democracy.</span></li>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:center" align="center"><b><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"It
is not so much what we
are as much as what we
are about."</span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A flash from
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flow . . .</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is,
literally, loads and loads more,
Mr. Rumelhart . . . like letters
sent from the un-pastor to
then-Governor Kempthorne and
then-UI President White . . . Doug
"Charlie Brown" Wilson's speech at
the Public Civility Forum at the
Hamilton Indoor Recreation Center
a few years ago . . . the Great
Christ Church Debate between the
Un-Pastor and the Intoleristas'
own Keely Mix on KRFP. I could go
on and on and on and . . .</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll jus'
leevya with His Whineyness' own
words . . .</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seeya there,
Moscow.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Tom
Hansen</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wallace,
Idaho</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"If not us,
who?</p>
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when?"</p>
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