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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Love the loaded questions. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No… of course a “higher abortion rate” isn’t what I want to see. But by agreeing on that statement, it doesn’t mean that I agree with any of your other conclusions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First, Western Europe’s birthrates in general have been on the decline for decades. They’re upside-down in their population-replacement rate. Is it better sex education? Is it the water? (So to speak?). I have no idea… but I’m not sure that the reverse of your conclusion (“war on women = more abortion, so “less war on women means less abortion”) is true.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On your other post… I won’t pretend to be armed enough to get into a debate with a professor whose been bantering about the philosophy for years. Neither of us will solve any eons-old debate in regards to abortion and core beliefs. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will only comment on this: the measurements presented are ones of convenience. Markers like “first trimester”, “second trimester”, and “human being vs. person” are nice little categories created that allow for simpler classification, and to make the decision process as clean and clear-cut as possible in some very grey areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the gestation period for a human is 9 months… that’s 3 sets of 90 day periods. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want to mark the clock at 89 days and 23 hours and declare the fetus “meat”… and then turn around and declare at 90 days 1 hour that it’s a “HUMAN”… I don’t buy it or agree with it. Life doesn’t have demarcation points on a graph. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want to eliminate the grey area… I personally believe that once sperm hits egg you MORALLY have an obligation to let the dominoes continue to fall. Anything beyond that is just a way to rationalize the process of abortion to make it more comfortable and acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m not a religious conservative, I’m just a conservative… but I feel that this is much less a “war on women” and much more a “war on unborn children”… the rights of women are collateral damage to a very ugly topic. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nicholas Gier<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 19, 2012 11:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> vision2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] What if other cartoonists . .(fetus image did notforward)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Jay,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Western Europe has very low abortion rates primarily because they have good programs for sex education, which then lead to low teen pregnancy rates. We have the highest teen pregnancy rates in the industrialized world, and those rates will increase if the Right Wing continues its war on women.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In 2008 Western European women had 12 abortions per 1,000 while American women had 19.6 per 1,000.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The war on women and abortion rights will make that rate even higher.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is this what you really want to see?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nick<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jay Borden exclaims:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>"Having an abortion should be the LAST line of defense, not the first action of choice."<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I couldn't agree with you more, Mr. Borden. Such a decision should NOT be made until all available resources have been expended, to include counseling provided by Planned Parenthood offices, NOT politicians. Such a decision should ONLY be made by well informed individuals. After expending all appropriate resources, and the decision to proceed with pregnancy termination, the procedure must be conducted by trained, efficient physicians in a sanitized operation room, NOT in some back alley with a coat hanger.<br><br>Dontcha think?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Seeya round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"If not us, who?<br>If not now, when?"<br><br>- Unknown<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:58, "Jay Borden" <<a href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" target="_blank">jborden@datawedge.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Abortion should be shamed. And it should be a last resort. And it should NOT be socially acceptable. Having an abortion should be the LAST line of defense, not the first action of choice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>