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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Today that is how individuals do things is through the government. Our government is a democracy, so what the government does, is what the people are doing or allowing to happen. Christ didn't have a family. So it is not the highest feat. Sacrifice and love of your neighbors is. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I don't believe that most Republicans are Christians. Christ said provide for the poor, care for the sick, love your neighbor, honor your elders, and pay your taxes. Republican policy strongly opposes all five. </SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I am weary of anyone that has to <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0><SPAN>publicly</SPAN></SPAN> boast to be a Christian. Because it is usually done just before doing something wicked, nasty and <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-1><SPAN>completely</SPAN></SPAN> against His teachings. True followers of Christ don't have to claim to be Christians, because their actions and character is the only needed <SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-2><SPAN>proclamation</SPAN></SPAN> of their faith. </SPAN></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "Gier, Nicholas" <ngier@uidaho.edu>; thansen@moscow.com; Moscow Vision 2020 <Vision2020@moscow.com> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:07 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] What is Wrong With this Statement . . .<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>I was talking about Jeff, not me. Personally, I do not care if someone is an atheist or not. I do care about morality. The family is the basic building block of a stable
society. I care about promoting strong families.<BR>I am not a biblical scholar, but I do not think Jesus was talking about socialism. He talked about the poor and being your brothers keeper. I think he was referring to individuals, not the government.<BR>Must go check the ewes, I am in <SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>thel</SPAN> middle of lambing. One ewe had twins last night. Three more ewes could give birth at anytime.<BR>Roger<BR>-----Original message-----<BR>From: "Gier, Nicholas" <A href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu" ymailto="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu">ngier@uidaho.edu</A><BR>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:01:59 -0800<BR>To: "lfalen" <A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" ymailto="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>, <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>, "Moscow Vision 2020" <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What is Wrong With this Statement . . .<BR><BR>> Hi Roger,<BR>> <BR>> Obviously you have not studied the founders of the Austrian School of Economics: Friedrich <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>Hayek</SPAN> and Ludwig <SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>von</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-10 class=mark>Mises</SPAN>. The former was a nominal Catholic but a professed agnostic. Von <SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>Mises</SPAN> called Christianity a "religion of hatred" and resentment towards the rich, and argued that socialism was just a secular form of Christianity's rejection of individual worth and effort. See the excerpts below.<BR>> <BR>> As I have argued in my own work, libertarians parading around as evangelical Christians are living a contradiction.<BR>> <BR>> Nick<BR>> <BR>> Ludwig <SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>von</SPAN>
<SPAN id=misspell-13 class=mark>Mises</SPAN>, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis<BR>> Chapter 29<BR>> <BR>> One thing of course is clear, and no <SPAN id=misspell-14 class=mark>skilful</SPAN> interpretation can obscure it. Jesus' words are full of resentment against the rich, and the Apostles are no meeker in this respect. The Rich Man is condemned because he is rich, the Beggar praised because he is poor. The only reason why Jesus does not declare war against the rich and preach revenge on them is that God has said: "Revenge is mine." In God's Kingdom the poor shall be rich, but the rich shall be made to suffer. Later revisers have tried to soften the words of Christ against the rich, of which the most complete and powerful version is found in the Gospel of Luke, but there is quite enough left to support those who incite the world to hatred of the rich, revenge, murder and arson. <BR>> <BR>> Up to the time of modern
Socialism no movement against private poverty which has arisen in the Christian world has failed to seek authority in Jesus, the Apostles, and the Christian Fathers, not to mention those who, like Tolstoy, made the Gospel resentment against the rich the very heart and soul of their teaching. This is a case in which the Redeemer's words bore evil seed. More harm has been done, and more blood shed, on account of them than by the persecution of heretics and the burning of witches. They have always rendered the Church defenseless against all movements which aim at destroying human society. The Church as an organization has certainly always stood on the side of those who tried to ward off communistic attack. But it could not achieve much in this struggle. For it was continually disarmed by the words: "Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the Kingdom of God."<BR>> <BR>> . . The religion which called itself the religion of love became a religion of
hatred in a world that seemed ripe for happiness. Any would-be destroyers of the modern social order could count on finding a champion in Christianity.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. <BR>> <BR>> -Greek proverb<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A> on behalf of lfalen<BR>> Sent: Fri 3/9/2012 10:45 AM<BR>> To: Contact - <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>; Moscow Vision 2020<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What is Wrong With this Statement . . .<BR>> <BR>> I was going to respond to Keely comments, but deleted her email, so I will do it here. I know Jeff somewhat. In my opinion he is a Classical Liberal. Keely is making
suppositions that are inaccurate. Jeff is a proponent of the Austrian School of Economics. About the only thing he would have in common with Ayn Rand is the support of individual rights. I doubt that he is a devotee of Ayn Rand. Jeff is a strong proponent of family values and is religious. Ayn Rand is an <SPAN id=misspell-16 class=mark>athiest</SPAN> and a hedonist. She would <SPAN id=misspell-17 class=mark>basicly</SPAN> go with the hippie statement of " if it feels good do it". <BR>> As for the militia, there are several organizations that one could join if one wants to help their community in times of a disaster, such as Search and <SPAN id=misspell-18 class=mark>Resque</SPAN> and the Sheriffs Posse. therefore I do not see the need for one. However if there want to do their own thing, go for it, as long as they continue to work with and support local <SPAN id=misspell-19 class=mark>authorises</SPAN>. Which they do. <SPAN id=misspell-20
class=mark>Jeffs</SPAN> dad is or was a cop and there are several law enforcement people associated with them. The militia is not my bag however. The Southern Poverty Law School has done some good work in combating hate groups and racism. They gave a work shop on hate groups to the Spokane County Sheriffs group. They listed Jeff Williams as a dangerous person, with out any supporting data. Jeff has since had several meeting with the Sheriff and has gotten this resolved. They have a respect for one and other, though they may not necessarily agree in their views.<BR>> I have friends that are involved with Paint Ball. They do this for entertainment and use the Grange Park. This is their recreation, not my thing but that is fine as long as they clean up after themselves and do not trample too many plants. The White Pine Native Plant Society also use the park.<BR>> There are kooks out there that break the law and should be prosecuted to the
full extent of the law, but as long a group supports and works with local authorities that should be their right. One does not have to agree with them.<BR>> Roger<BR>> <BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: Tom Hansen <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:57:55 -0800<BR>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] What is Wrong With this Statement . . .<BR>> <BR>> > . . Found in today's (March 7, 2012) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.<BR>> > <BR>> > "Jeff Williams is a classic liberal constitutional activist/educator, the chairman of the <SPAN id=misspell-21 class=mark>Palouse</SPAN> Liberty Project, and is involved with the 57<SPAN id=misspell-22 class=mark>th</SPAN> and 75<SPAN id=misspell-23
class=mark>th</SPAN> battalions of the <SPAN id=misspell-24 class=mark>Lightfoot</SPAN> Militia."<BR>> > <BR>> > <SPAN id=misspell-25 class=mark>Seeya</SPAN> later, Moscow.<BR>> > <BR>> > Tom Hansen<BR>> > Post Falls, Idaho<BR>> > <BR>> > "If not us, who?<BR>> > If not now, when?"<BR>> > <BR>> > - Unknown<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the <SPAN id=misspell-26 class=mark>Palouse</SPAN> since 1994.<BR>> > <A href="http://www.fsr.net/" target=_blank>http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>> > <SPAN id=misspell-27 class=mark>mailto</SPAN>:<A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"
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