<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I know we're coming from different directions on this one, but I don't feel the need to rebuke anyone. What they do and how they think, assuming they aren't harming others, is entirely up to themselves and whatever God or gods they might believe in. Leaving a trollish comment on a piece of paper in a public place is not harming me, even if I see it, so it's no concern of mine. People who read that kind of thing and think "right on!" aren't going to be swayed by cold reason.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>When posting on forums on the Internet, it's far better to respond to that kind of post with condescending wit than to post an indignant response. They don't care about the actual topic, they just want to see what kind of outrage they can generate and then sit back and
enjoy the show. If you respond to their actual point, whether with vitriol of your own or with a carefully crafted and reasoned response, they just come back and say something even more outrageous just to keep the topic alive. Again, they don't really care about the topic at hand that much. They just know that people out there do care about it passionately. Calling them on their trolling seems to have the best success of making them go away. It changes it from like 1% to 4%, probably.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>So when this guy comes back to the Post Office to see if anyone has taken his bait, he'll get a good laugh at that guy's response and probably write something demeaning on it and leave it there. If he sees that he's been made fun of publicly, he'll probably just throw it away because it's bait that wasn't taken and that made him look like a fool for a
while.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>The best response, though, in my humble opinion, would be to just forget about it and mail your letter or whatever.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Paul<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> godshatter@yahoo.com; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 6, 2012 10:10 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] "Hate speech at my US
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And where do you draw the line, Paul, between mere "trolls" and those whose incivility and hate deserve rebuke? It occurs to me that one response requires a measure of determination and courage, and it's not the one that ends with "lol."<br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br><div><div id="yiv560753333SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="yiv560753333stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:03:50 -0800<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To: thansen@moscow.com<br>CC: Vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Hate speech at my US Post Office" (a letter)<br><br>
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I would have written "Don't feed the trolls" or "trolololol" on it.
Or better yet, just laughed and ignored it. If you respond to
trolls, the trolls win.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 03/04/2012 06:30 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
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<div>Courtesy of The Salon at:</div>
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http://open.salon.com/blog/davidsatterlee/2012/03/02/hate_speech_at_my_us_post_office
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<div>By David Satterlee of Dayton, Iowa</div>
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<div>I found this posted on the information board at my US Post
Office in Dayton, Iowa, 50530 on March 2, 2012. There were
also three modified cartoons referring to President Obama,
fried chicken, watermelon, and black salami. I thought that
the cartoons were inappropriate and offensive to public
decency; I removed them.</div>
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<div>The threat letter seemed more personal, so I added my
answer and left it there. I will transcribe the notes for your
convenience.</div>
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<div>The original message was: “What do you call 20,000 liberals
in the bottom of the ocean? A good start. Liberalism is a
mental disorder”</div>
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<div>My answer reads: “Please, don’t just threaten me with
drowning and post anonymous racist hate cartoons against our
elected President in a US Post Office. Make your case, explain
your issues, and give practical ideas for improvement… and
please have the courage to sign your name. With sincere best
wishes, Your neighbor, David Satterlee”</div>
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<div>Frankly, I worry that the threat could get personal. It may
already be personal: I’ve had an Obama 2012 poster in my front
window for weeks.</div>
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<div>Having lived in this small rural town for only two years,
I’m still a bit of an outsider. I’ve improved the old 1880s
workman’s Victorian that we bought and joined the Lion’s Club
until my social anxieties got too severe. I smile and speak
kindly at every opportunity, and wrote a series of positive
local feature articles for the Dayton Review until I had a
stroke last year.</div>
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<div>The editor of the Dayton Review has encouraged me to begin
submitting an opinion column, which I can write from home
without running all over to take interview notes. I plan to
feature liberal ideas explained in terms and values that
conservatives claim as their exclusive own.</div>
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<div>It occurs to me that my openness may fan the flames among
those who are prone to reflexive hate. I could just hide in
the shadows, cringing and hoping that no one will notice me or
be mean to me. But, I am aware of the courage of those great
souls who spoke out to end slavery, gain the vote for women,
oppose the baron kings and their trusts, and march for civil
rights.</div>
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<div>As a child in school, I was raised in a particularly rigid,
conservative, Christian faith. I remember how it was to be the
object of hate, bullying, and abuse. I learned to run fast. No
more. I’m going to stand fast. Bullies should be faced down.
I’m tired of this shit and I’m not going to take it any more.</div>
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<div>I’ve spent decades trying to figure out all the things I
didn’t learn as a closed-minded conservative. I started with
all the self-improvement and pop psychology books. I graduated
to social psychology, Eastern religions, and theories of human
development. These past four years, I’ve concentrated on
figuring out the difference between Republicans and Democrats.
I came out of the process as a generally-tolerant,
love-thy-neighbor, but still-evangelical liberal. But, I still
can’t feel good about hate, disrespect, and bullying.</div>
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<div>'nuf said.</div>
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<div>Seeya later, Moscow.</div>
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<div>Tom "tree-hugging, bleeding-heart, card-carrying liberal"
Hansen</div>
<div>Post Falls, Idaho</div>
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<div>"If not us, who?</div>
<div>If not now, when?"</div>
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<div>- Unknown</div>
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