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In the mean time, I’ll continue reading news stories about how the Tea Party is out rallying against higher taxes and against a more intrusive government… and continuing to notice that it has nothing to do with gay rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You can’t disprove a negative. “Prove to me your NOT a bigot”… “prove to me you don’t beat your wife”. NOT doing something is not the same as being against it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Again… just because the Tea Party doesn’t consider this topic relevant to their rallying cry doesn’t mean that they’re anti-gay… it’s just not a factor. But that’s not the same as saying the group is anti-gay.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Person 1: Do you think about the children when purchasing your tires at Les Schwab? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Person 2: No… I really don’t consider it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Person 1: OMG! YOU MUST HATE CHILDREN!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Person 2: No, it’s just not something I’m considering when I’m buying tires. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Or…maybe here’s a good way to turn it around using this logic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-----------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“I believe that all Democrats are socialist.” (This is, of course, nonsense… but stay with me).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The current administration has made repeated remarks on the redistribution of wealth, and has made it clear that this is how society will succeed in their vision moving forward. (From those than can provide, to those that need… )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(</span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W2VJjA6wFk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W2VJjA6wFk</a>)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Since Obama is the ONLY candidate on the democratic side of the coin, any summary of Obama’s positions is, in fact, an endorsement of all of his policies… whether they are mentioned or not. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This would include his ideas to redistribute wealth. One of the key ideas behind a socialist agenda.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This, in turn, would mean that anyone who votes or considers a vote for Obama must be an active/aggressive proponent of socialism.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So… even though a vote for Obama might be cast for a completely different set of criteria, the voter is, in fact, a socialist. <o:p></o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Now… it’s all nonsense of course… but using this same logic, you can go down the path of proving anything to anyone….<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>“I believe all people who buy tires from Les Schwab are for child violence”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>“I believe all people who drive a Prius are ax-murderers”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>“I believe all people who plants trees are diabetic”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the end… without proof of the claims “Tea Party is anti-gay” and “if Tea Party would get out of the way we’d have equality for gays”… we’re just two guys saying “nuh-uh” to each other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 17, 2012 11:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Most bigots don't think they are bigots. I have talked to members of the Aryan Nations when I lived right down the road from their compound in Hayden, that didn't think they were prejudiced, they just wanted a separate nation for each race. I have talked to men and women that don't think they are sexists but believe men and woman are meant for separate roles in society. And I consider their bigotry the same as someone that doesn't believe that Gays and Lesbians should be allowed the same rights and protections as all other citizens.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If you, Jay, can find me three candidates that the Tea Party supports that are for the same rights and protections for Gays and Lesbians as everyone else, then I will retract my statement that the Tea Party is not entirely composed of candidates that are anti-Gay. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> <br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 17, 2012 11:20 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv364894652><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=mark><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ok</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>, *<b>now</b>* I would require some proof from you before I would believe the “Tea Party acts aggressively against gays, lesbians, transgendered, the poor, and other minorities” comment. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t mean proof like “here’s a photo of some random clown showing up with a slanderous sign that attached himself to a Tea Party Rally”….</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I mean proof like… the Tea Party demonstrating against a gay pride parade… or a Tea Party rally showing up at a military funeral to shout anti-gay slurs… or some sort of Tea Party memorandum that says “here’s how we’re going to hate on gay people this week…”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Every group attracts the unwanted fringe. Tea Party, <span class=mark>OWS</span>, <span class=mark>WTO</span> protests, whatever. But minus some sort of damning proof, we’re down to our beliefs… and I don’t believe that the Tea Party has a core agenda that is anti-gay, any more than the <span class=mark>OWS</span> has a core agenda to prop up Roe vs. Wade.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jay,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To me, an organization is what it does, not what it lists as on a bulletin board. The Tea Party acts aggressively against gays, lesbians, transgendered, the poor and other minorities. Of course it isn't going to say that in its platform because it would be open to public attack and so would those that supported it. Actions speak louder than words. If someone tells me they don't hate me, but keeps punching me in the face, I don't believe it, regardless of their words. And even if I did believe you, it doesn't matter, because the effect is the same, a bloody nose to minorities in America because of the Tea Party. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The Tea Party is the right wing response to the economic crisis, as Occupy Wall Street is the left wing response to the economic crisis. But neither, I think, has the proper approach.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The only way to positively change America for its people, is to change the policies and laws so that everyone has a shot at getting wealthy. We have an incredibly shrieking middle class. We have a nation of laws and politicians that prevent the rich from becoming poor and the poor from becoming rich, with an ever increasing divide between the two. Our direction is economically unsustainable, undemocratic, anti-capitalistic and anti-American. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Donovan Arnold</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> <br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:53 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv364894652><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=mark><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ok</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>… fantastic! You’<span class=mark>ve</span> nearly come around!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Giving a run-down of the candidates and their stance on core issues <span class=mark>doesn</span>’t mean you share the same agendas. If the Tea Party had an anti-gay agenda then it would have been a category on the rap-sheet. (Taxes, Entitlements, Immigration, Stance on Gay Rights). You interpret the missing element as some sort of undertone. I see it as “not relevant to the Tea Party”… (I also don’t see “affirmative action” listed, but I don’t take that to mean they have an agenda for/against it).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My original point (from Tom Hansen’s post) was that the Tea Party has nothing to do blocking equal rights for gays… and “getting them out of the way” would have nothing to do with progress on that front. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I realize that most people on this forum hate the Tea Party, conservative viewpoints, or anything close to the color red. But at least hate an organization for what they *<b>actually</b>* stand for. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>"You’re basically saying you cannot be both Republican AND fiscally conservative or a proponent of the constitution. You’re basically saying that if you’re a member of the Tea Party, then you have an anti-gay agenda.",</span></i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> contends Mr. Borden.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;background:white'>I am not saying that Republicans cannot be fiscally conservative or proponents of the constitution.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;background:white'> I am saying that they are not. I am not saying that all members of the Tea Party have an anti-gay agenda. I am saying the people they endorse and support do. And those are the facts as illogical as they may seem to you.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> <br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:56 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv364894652><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You really really really really really need to brush up on your understanding of mutual exclusivity. You’re basically saying you cannot be both Republican AND fiscally conservative or a proponent of the constitution. You’re basically saying that if you’re a member of the Tea Party, then you have an anti-gay agenda. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is not true. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Start throwing around terms like “all Christians are Republican” or “all Republicans are Christian” and maybe you can see where this falls apart.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want to take this to your next (illogical) step, why not just say that “anyone who votes Republican has an anti-gay agenda?” </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>You can claim all you want that it is faulty logic, but it is factually true that ALL of the candidates they listed and endorse are publicly against gays having equality. To me, and most others that can read between the lines, that makes them anti-gay. And there is no such thing as a part of the Republican Party that is</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> "the fiscal /constitutional right."</span><span style='color:black'> Those people for sound fiscal policy and the constitutional rights of people are called Libertarians, Democrats and Independents. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> <br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:23 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id=yiv364894652><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is faulty logic. They are just giving a punch list of the candidates jockeying for the Republican nomination. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Using this same logic, you could suggest that EVERYONE who votes Republican has an anti-gay agenda… and using the same logic one can say that EVERYONE who votes Democrat must have a socialist agenda. (Neither of which are true).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(In fact, some folks here on V2020 have said that if Huntsman were voted into office, they least <span class=mark>wouldn</span>’t lose sleep over it… since Huntsman was listed in this newsletter, does that mean that these same V2020 folks must also have an anti-gay agenda?)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While the candidates themselves might have a slanted view of gay rights, I don’t see any indication that the Tea Party is only listing folks that have passed some sort of “Anti-Gay Agenda Seal of Approval”… the Tea Party may be extreme, but in a different direction than Tom Hansen is suggesting. If you want to find an element of bigotry and hatred towards gays on the Republican side of the political coin, you’ll find it in the religious right… not the fiscal /constitutional right.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Every person they endorsed is against equality for gays and you don't think they are against equality for gays? If an organization only endorsed Grand Dragons of the KKK would you claim also to be so blind that you don't see how they are anti-civil rights? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Donovan Arnold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br><b>To:</b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> <br><b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:16 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><span class=mark>Ok</span>... you've provided a link to a Tea Party newsletter... which begins<br>with a <span class=mark>pre</span>-amble of core Tea Party beliefs (which center around "stop<br>spending, stop tramping the Constitution")....<br><br>... and continues on to list off the current Republican candidates with<br>a short cheat-sheet on their stances on major issues: <span class=mark>Healthcare</span> and<br>Entitlements, Education, Spending and Taxes, Immigration, Energy, and<br>National Security.<br><br>There's one line item in there for "Rick Perry" for a category called<br>"social", which lists he supports traditional marriage, and signed the<br>Defense of Marriage Act... <br><br><br>That's not even close to a smoking gun. If there's an "anti-gay" agenda<br>in there, I must have missed it.<br><br><br>Jay<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tom Hansen [<span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>] <br>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:32 PM<br>To: Jay Borden<br>Cc: Moscow Vision 2020<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .<br><br>Are you sure about that, Mr. Borden?<br><br>http://www.teapartyboise.com/newsletter_12-21-2011.pdf<br><br><span class=mark>Hmmm</span>.<br><br><span class=mark>Seeya</span> later, Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Post Falls, Idaho<br><br>"If not us, who?<br>If not now, when?"<br><br>- Unknown<br><br><br><br>On Feb 14, 2012, at 13:24, "Jay Borden" <<a href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" target="_blank">jborden@datawedge.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Wait... you're suggesting that the Tea Party is responsible for Idaho<br>> not passing equal rights legislation?<br>> <br>> I think you're confusing the "Taxed Enough Already" splinter of the<br>> Republican party with the "Religious Right" membership of the<br>Republican<br>> party.<br>> <br>> <br>> Jay<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><br>> [<span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen<br>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:53 PM<br>> To: Moscow Vision 2020<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] A Dedication to . . .<br>> <br>> . . . the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and <span class=mark>transgender</span> citizens of the<br>state<br>> of Washington for a fight well fought . . . and won . . .<br>> <br>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Y9nYCcYbw<br>> <br>> Now, if only Idaho can wean itself from the Tea Party (undeniable<br>proof<br>> that pygmy three-toed sloths and chimpanzees do mate), perhaps we can<br>> join the rest of this great nation in recognizing the 14<span class=mark>th</span> amendment<br>to<br>> the U.S. Constitution and applying it to all of our citizens.<br>> <br>> <span class=mark>Seeya</span> later, Moscow.<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Post Falls, Idaho<br>> <br>> "If not us, who?<br>> If not now, when?"<br>> <br>> - Unknown<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the <span class=mark>Palouse</span> since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> <span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the <span class=mark>Palouse</span> since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <span class=mark>mailto</span>:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>