<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>Jay,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>There are two <span id="misspell-0"><span>gaping</span></span> holes in your arguments of why the universal health care system would not work better and cost less.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>The first is that it is already working better in almost every other modern civilized country. So there is no speculation that it would increase health care for almost everyone and would decrease costs. It has even been wildly successful in the United States where it has been tried, like in Florida. </span></div><div><br><span id="misspell-0"><span>Second</span></span>, we are not talking about "other people's money." We are talking about "their money". Just spending it in a more effective manner.
Don't they deserve that respect of their dollars? They would be paying premiums, <span id="misspell-0"><span>co-pays</span></span>, and <span id="misspell-1"><span>deductibles</span></span>, and taxes. So for those that decided to waste the government <span id="misspell-2"><span>subsidies</span></span> as you claim, would also be wasting their own money and time getting the unneeded mammograms and prostate exams you think they would be so eager to get with new found access to <span id="misspell-3">health care</span>. </div><div> </div><div>I don't completely dismiss your claim that some monies would be wasted by some people insisting their doctors give them medications and tests they really don't need. There would also be people getting assistance that would have otherwise not had health care of any kind at any time. However, all of that so-called-waste fails to compare to the waste we spend on treatment for
illnesses and diseases that we would have prevented and now have to pay for because they qualify for Medicaid or end up in an emergency room. It is like the government refusing to help the poor with costs of oil changes but paying 90% of engine repair. It is a horribly wasteful. </div><div> </div><div>It doesn't take a genius or <span id="misspell-1"><span>mathematician</span></span> to understand that a 65 year old women who becomes <span id="misspell-0"><span>eligible</span></span> for Medicare who hasn't seen a doctor since she was 40 is going to cost the taxpayer much more money than if she could access one for those 25 years and could also pay more into the system. </div><div> </div><div>Cost saving and greater access has already been established as fact using preventive care and Universal Health Care. So you are only arguing with the facts that Universal Health Care works better than the "pay nothing
now but 10 times more later health care system" we have now. </div><div> </div><div>The only factual <span id="misspell-1"><span>argument</span></span> against Universal Health Care is the <span id="misspell-2"><span>philosophical</span></span> one; that it is better to let people suffer from no or limited access to medical care than to suffer the <span id="misspell-3"><span>knowledge</span></span> that their premiums were paid to the government instead of to a for profit <span id="misspell-4"><span>corporation</span></span>. </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Donovan Arnold</div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0;
font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; vision2020@moscow.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:35 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] More Proof Preventative Health Care Saves<br> </font> </div> <br>
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--></style><div><div class="yiv1179106060WordSection1"><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>It sounds great… the math might be right, but I believe the human nature component is wrong… human nature changes when dealing with “other people’s money”. </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>(“Oh, if I had known you were paying for dinner, I would have ordered something more expensive…”)</span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family:
"sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Putting the word “preventative” in the name <span id="misspell-0" class="mark">doesn</span>’t change the way humans would react to and use it. </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>If we had universal health care, it means that individuals would never see the benefit of money saved… they would simply be given a “blank check” in terms of their health care and how they care for themselves… and therefore dismiss risks with personal choices for their health. </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I can tell you first-hand my experiences on how human behavior changes as soon as fiscal responsibility to pay is shifted to the individual as opposed to a faceless 3<sup>rd</sup> party.</span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>It’s sounds heartless to say (and even harder to defend)… but in order to have people making GOOD decisions, you have to have examples of people making BAD DECISIONS.</span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>
</span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Jay</span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size:
10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] More Proof Preventative Health Care Saves</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span class="yiv1179106060entry-title"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;">Numbers show high cost of skipping your <span id="misspell-1" class="mark">meds</span></span></span><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"></span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span class="yiv1179106060entry-title"><span style="color: black;">Numbers show how skipping your <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">meds</span> can have
serious health impact, financial consequences</span></span><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"></span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span class="yiv1179106060entry-title"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/numbers-show-high-cost-skipping-214621515.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">http://finance.yahoo.com/news/numbers-show-high-cost-skipping-214621515.html</span></a></span></span><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"></span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span
class="yiv1179106060entry-title"><span style="color: black;">"—Every dollar spent on medication decreases total health costs to patients, insurers and government health programs by about $10.10 for people with high blood pressure, by $8.40 for congestive heart failure patients, by $6.70 for diabetics and by about $3.10 for patients with cholesterol disorders."</span></span><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"></span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span class="yiv1179106060entry-title"><span style="color: black;">And what idiots would pass up $3.10 to $10.10 return on each $1 invested? The same idiots that pass up universal preventive health care. The same idiots that believe it is better to pay $10.10 of taxpayer dollars in medical treatment
tomorrow than to a give the person the opportunity of insurance to spend $1 on medication today. But when your interests lie with the person who gets the $10.10, only then it becomes clear why denying them the insurance to get the medication is the preferred action. </span></span><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"></span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="background: white;" class="yiv1179106060MsoNormal"><span class="yiv1179106060entry-title"><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;">Donovan Arnold </span></span><span style="color: black; font-size: 18pt;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>