<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18pt"><div><span>Joe,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I just don't think people know what "Liberal" means anymore. If they look it up it will not be any clearer to them. A liberal in 1962 is not the same as a liberal in 2012. Progressive is more descriptive and people know what it means. Liberal is also circumstantial and relative whereas progressive is not. Today's liberal is tomorrow's conservative. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold </span></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0;
font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>; "art.deco.studios@gmail.com" <art.deco.studios@gmail.com>; "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 4, 2012 4:58 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Just So we Don't Forget The Ultimate Hypocrisy<br> </font> <br>
<div id="yiv620800773">I totally disagree. Liberal as in CIVIL LIBERTIES. The "excessive government spending" affiliation is a made up political story. There simply IS no more excessive liberal spending than war, which is not generally affiliated with liberals. Don't let the bad arguments of your enemies control the labels of your position. You'll note a similarity here with my views on free will, as I expressed them in the lengthy post which likely no one read. Perhaps a good thing!<br>
<br>But I think most of the liberals/progressives on this list agree with you and like the name "progressive" better, which is why I often use that label. I'm a liberal, though!<br><br><div class="yiv620800773gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="yiv620800773gmail_quote">
<div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span><var></var>I wish we would change the name of Liberal to Progressive, it is more accurate. Liberal means you are also liberal on excessive government spending and business regulation, which is not the case anymore for most self-professed Liberals. I think Progressive means you are for improving the way we treat people and managing our economic and natural resources.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span> A person wanting to "conserve" <span><span>natural</span></span> resources, and reduce taxes on the average American and small business, is not being liberal, they are being conservative with resources, but they are also being progressive. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>Theodore Roosevelt was an excellent example of a Progressive. He took
action to protect the rights of the poor, children, minorities, and conserve the nation's resources while overall increasing the wealthy of the nation and its military capabilities to protect the nation. He proved treating people fairly and caring for the planet's resources breeds greater wealth for the nation, not less. </span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<font face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); line-height: 0; font-size: 0px; min-height: 0px;"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom
Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 4, 2012 3:04 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Just So we Don't Forget The Ultimate Hypocrisy<br> </font> <br>
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Let's never forget, and let's never think that as good liberals it's a mark of virtue to "tolerate" those of our neighbors who would hurt, and have hurt, the people in their own and our community.<br>
<br>And that's why I'm a longtime supporter of the Southern Poverty Law Center who counts Morris <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">Dees</span> and Mark <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Potok</span> among her list of heroes. <br><br>As always, thanks, Tom.<br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br>
<a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br><div><div></div><div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); line-height: 0; font-size: 0px; min-height: 0px;">
</div>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:45:19 -0800<br>To: <a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br>
CC:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just So we Don't Forget The Ultimate Hypocrisy<br><br><div>Here's a little <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">sumpin</span>' from the <span id="misspell-7" class="mark">NOTP</span> archives that you can download to your personal library . . .</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mark <span id="misspell-8" class="mark">Potok's</span> (Southern Poverty Law Center) article "Taliban on the <span id="misspell-9" class="mark">Palouse</span>"</div><div>http://www.notonthepalouse.com/Tal_Pal.htm</div>
<div><br></div><div>Enjoy.<br><br><div><span id="misspell-10" class="mark">Seeya</span> later, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Spokane, Washington</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br>
</div><div>- Unknown</div></div><div><br>On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Art Deco <<a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div>
<blockquote><div>Less not forget so that we try to keep children as far away as possible from the Christ Church
Cult.<br><br><a href="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/fall/neo-confederates" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How dare you question my judgment!</a><br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br><a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:art.deco.studios@gmail.com">art.deco.studios@gmail.com</a><br>
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