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On 01/02/2012 09:42 AM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
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Waiyne,<br>
<br>
I said 'currently' because right now, Obama would end up leaving
gay marriage to the states, as he does not yet support it. Once
he does (as I expect him to eventually) then his position will
be different.<br>
<br>
Ron Paul's position is bigoted, I think. Obama's is cowardly, as
he's still afraid to lose bigots' votes. The 'I support civil
unions but not gay marriage' position is a silly split-the-baby
attempt to placate both sides. Gay rights is the only place I
see Obama behaving like a progressive, and I think he and his
team have decided it won't hurt him; I think it's a bone they've
decided they can throw the left.<br>
<br>
But here we are, again discussing anything but Obama's foreign
policies again.<br>
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<br>
Or his stance on civil liberties and the power grabs of the
Executive branch.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
Sunil<br>
<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:00:45 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Their positions are not quite the
same.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><font face="Verdana">Paul's mind is made up.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Obama says his is still open.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 01, 2012 7:30 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
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<div dir="ltr">Neither of us were talking about DADT, we were
talking about their positions on gay marriage, and as far as
I know, Obama is not currently in favor of gay marriage. He
has come out against the Defense of Marriage Act, but that
would simply leave things to each state, which I believe is
Paul's position.<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br>
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:54:18 -0800<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>
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<div>Obama repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ron Paul stated more than once, during the debates,
that he would not repeal DADT.</div>
<div><br>
<div>Seeya later, Moscow.</div>
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<div>Tom Hansen</div>
<div>Spokane, Washington</div>
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<div>"If not us, who?</div>
<div>If not now, when?"</div>
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<div>- Unknown</div>
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On Jan 1, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a
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<div dir="ltr">So currently is his position any
different than Obama's? Is the only difference that
Obama's position is 'evolving,' perhaps with the
benefit of polling?<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:25:02 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism<br>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Kelly,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Here in a nutshell is
Ron Paul's position on gay marriage:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">As a lifelong Christian,
he is personally against it. He is against
any federal legislation on this issue, but for
allowing each state to decide the issue
themselves.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Needless to say, besides
most likely leading to the denial of gays to
marry in many states, the legal morasses
created by allowing gay marriage in some
states and not allowing it or not recognizing
it in other states are horrifying to
contemplate.</font></div>
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<div> <font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011
10:14 PM</div>
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On
Ron Paul and Racism</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Being a racist doesn't mean he's
wrong on these issues, Sunil -- but it means
that, as Ron Paul (if he is, in fact, a racist),
he should be applauded for those views he holds
that are correct and challenged on any that you,
I, or anyone else disagrees with. It doesn't
mean he ought to run for office, or that we
ought to vote for him.<br>
<br>
There are plenty of people, I imagine, who are
right about the issues you mention below who
aren't bigots, and who -- perhaps more germane
to the conversation -- wouldn't gut the social
services that make this country not only
habitable (imperfect and imperfectly delivered
as they are), but moral. I think you and I see
the defense/national security issues fairly
similarly, and we likely also applaud Paul's
views on legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, and
maybe a couple of other issues. Nonetheless,
even those areas on which I agree with Paul --
the ones I just mentioned and the ones you did
-- aren't enough for me either to vote for him,
or overlook what at least the most fervent Paul
supporter would acknowledge was carelessness in
letting bigots crank out his newsletter. <br>
<br>
The cumulative effect of Paul's economic and
some of his social policies will harm more
people -- people already marginalized and
suffering -- than the hundreds of thousands this
and the previous war-courting administrations
have. Do I take any comfort in that? <br>
<br>
No. Not at all. But I have to vote for the man
who seems to have more, better answers than the
one who has one or two good ones. And I can't
afford to combine the worst of both Obama and
Paul by risking the horror of, say, a Perry or
Bachmann presidency.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Sunil.<br>
<br>
<font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:
12pt;" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br>
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:36 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Let's for one moment assume
that Paul is a racist. I'm not saying he is,
just assume he is so that issue doesn't need
to be discussed for a minute.<br>
<br>
Is he wrong on ending our wars? Is he wrong
on cutting the defense budget? Is he wrong
about the Patriot Act? Is he wrong about the
Executive Branch seizing powers it should
not have?<br>
<br>
What say you, Keely, Wayne, Saundra, Tom?<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling"> Date: Sat, 31
Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>
CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul
and Racism<br>
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<br>
He has admitted to putting out an
investment newsletter that (as far as I
can tell) was not one of the newsletters
that printed the racist comments. It had
all sorts of conspiracy theories about
what will happen to people trying to deal
in large amounts of cash, most of which
have come true - just not in the way he
thought. Try taking a large pile of cash
through airport security and see how well
that goes.<br>
<br>
Another distraction attempt, supposedly a
smoking gun, apparently succeeds in its
goals. Or maybe this is just jumping on
the bandwagon, since it is the Daily Mail,
after all.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 12/31/2011 04:44 PM, Art Deco wrote:
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">See:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"><a
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href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html"
target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html</a></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Scroll
down to see the videos of Paul
Himself acknowledging the letters,
etc.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">All
javascript scripts must be allowed
in order to see the whole article
including the videos.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">w.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December
31, 2011 3:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a
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title="kjajmix1@msn.com"
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</a> </div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism</div>
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<div><br>
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<br>
Does it matter whether or not the
allegations are true? Or do we just
call them out anyway?<br>
<br>
Here is an article from CBS News about
the newsletters: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/"
target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/</a><br>
<br>
The article contains a quote by Ron Paul
on the issue: <br>
<br>
"When I was out of Congress and
practicing medicine full-time, a
newsletter was published under my name
that I did not edit. Several writers
contributed to the product," he said.
"For over a decade, I have publicly
taken moral responsibility for not
paying closer attention to what went out
under my name."<br>
<br>
I'd hate to see the man dragged over the
coals for something he might not have
deserved solely because (for example)
Jon Huntsman is losing to Ron Paul in
New Hampshire and has staked his
campaign on a strong showing there.<br>
<br>
I got that last bit from this article: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/"
target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/</a><br>
<br>
And once again, this is only out there
in order to distract us. These people
could care less if it's even true. It's
just convenient.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 12/31/2011 02:44 PM, keely emerinemix
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<div dir="ltr">I don't think you're
defending racism, racist behavior,
or even the wrongness of screaming
"He's a racist!" at the slightest
apparent provocation. That said, I
think it's imperative that
legitimate indications that an
individual's views on
race/gender/class/civil
rights/culture are bigoted be called
out, examined, and condemned -- and
I believe that the text of Ron
Paul's newsletters are an example.
<br>
<br>
<font color="#8064a2"><font
style="font-size: 12pt;"
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font-size: 11pt;">I’m not *<b>defending</b>*
racism, I’m commenting on
the mere finger-pointing and
accusations being so charged
that it’s a nuclear weapon
in a political arsenal. </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';
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font-size: 11pt;">It’s used
as a tool for distraction,
and hence, theatrics. (And,
unless I missed the mark,
perhaps Mr. Rumelhart’s
point).</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
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font-size: 11pt;">Insert
story of “crying wolf”.</span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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services made available by First Step Internet, serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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