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Wayne,<br><br>Thanks for addressing the issues I raised. I do disagree with you re. the first Iraq war, as well as pre-emptive attacks etc in point 2, but really want to address your thought that the Supreme Court can/should address the constitutionality of such matters. I think it's unlikely the court can address any of these matters in a timely manner, or that it will. I think we ought not to elect people willing to abuse their power, and seize power they do not constitutionally possess, with the hope that the court will reign them in. Look what happened to the suit Anwar al-Awlaki's father filed. The Feds will seek to have such suits dismissed, and the courts will go along with the Feds.<br><br>If the courts do address these matters, my fear is that they will simply hand the government a blank check. Fine if you believe in such abuses. Repugnant to me.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: deco@moscow.com<br>To: Vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:25:12 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br><br>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Sunil,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">1. I believe the (second) war on Iraq was a huge
mistake, but not the first.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">2. There are parts of the defense budget that need
trimming. However, without going into detail, we are faced with serious
global predatory threats. It would be foolish not to anticipate and to
prepare for them. I think much more effort needs to be made against cyber
threats and waging cyber war. Further, though not a Defense Department
item, I think money needs to be spent in various effective ways to wage
peace. Unlike many, I believe in the very limited use of pre-emptive
strikes, and very limited using lethal force, if necessary, in dealing with
those terrorists who have murdered U.S. citizens in our country, territories, or
havens like embassy/consular grounds or are seriously planning to do so.*
I strongly believe in the right of self-defense both nationally and
personally.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">3. I believe very strongly in due process and
civil rights. I am appalled by allowing imprisonment without due process
and allowing search/seizure/snooping without court process. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">4. I think many presidents, including Obama, have
acted outside their constitutional powers. However, it is the Supreme
Court's opinion that matters here, not mine. Given any of these issues,
argument can be made on both sides *including the assignation of terrorists on
foreign soil. With respect to the latter, I believe the Supreme Court
would agree that such actions are constitutional in limited circumstances.
Sooner or later there will probably be test cases in the Supreme Court about the
constitutionality of the above items. There is one now about the use of
ISPs and telecom companies helping law enforcement snoop without court process
(this is going on in Latah County right now).</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Some of the views above are consistent with some of what
Ron Paul claims to believe. However, as I said before: He is a phony
libertarian: he is against reproductive rights and other civil rights; he has
vocally aligned himself on these matters with the religious right. He has
so far refused to repudiate racist and others crackpot views or disassociate
himself from hate groups that support him. His denial about the racist and
other foolhardy remarks in his letters being his are far from convincing, but
worst of all he has not repudiated the substance of those remarks.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">As Tom Hansen said. These matters are not the only
issues. To some they may be the most important like abortion or gay
marriage is to others. Despite his being a so-called free market believer,
he appears to be clueless about how the economy actually works.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Uncompromising idealists, whatever flavor, seldom make
good leaders. There is too much uncertainty in our knowledge to trust
someone who believes they are right on all issues and everyone who
disagrees with them are wrong.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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<div style="font-color:black"><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:12 PM</div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism</div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Let's for one moment assume that Paul is a racist. I'm not saying
he is, just assume he is so that issue doesn't need to be discussed for a
minute.<br><br>Is he wrong on ending our wars? Is he wrong on cutting the
defense budget? Is he wrong about the Patriot Act? Is he wrong about the
Executive Branch seizing powers it should not have?<br><br>What say you, Keely,
Wayne, Saundra, Tom?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To:
deco@moscow.com<br>CC: Vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On
Ron Paul and Racism<br><br>
<br>He has admitted to putting
out an investment newsletter that (as far as I can tell) was not one of the
newsletters that printed the racist comments. It had all sorts of
conspiracy theories about what will happen to people trying to deal in large
amounts of cash, most of which have come true - just not in the way he
thought. Try taking a large pile of cash through airport security and see
how well that goes.<br><br>Another distraction attempt, supposedly a smoking
gun, apparently succeeds in its goals. Or maybe this is just jumping on
the bandwagon, since it is the Daily Mail, after all.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On
12/31/2011 04:44 PM, Art Deco wrote:
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">See:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"><a title="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html
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+ Click to follow link" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html" target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html</a></font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Scroll down to see the videos of Paul Himself
acknowledging the letters, etc.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">w.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism</div></div></div>
<div><br></div><br>Does it matter whether or not the allegations are
true? Or do we just call them out anyway?<br><br>Here is an article from
CBS News about the newsletters: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/</a><br><br>The
article contains a quote by Ron Paul on the issue: <br><br>"When I was
out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published
under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the
product," he said. "For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral
responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my
name."<br><br>I'd hate to see the man dragged over the coals for something he
might not have deserved solely because (for example) Jon Huntsman is losing to
Ron Paul in New Hampshire and has staked his campaign on a strong showing
there.<br><br>I got that last bit from this article: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/</a><br><br>And
once again, this is only out there in order to distract us. These people
could care less if it's even true. It's just
convenient.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 12/31/2011 02:44 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I don't think you're defending racism, racist behavior, or even
the wrongness of screaming "He's a racist!" at the slightest apparent
provocation. That said, I think it's imperative that legitimate
indications that an individual's views on race/gender/class/civil
rights/culture are bigoted be called out, examined, and condemned -- and I
believe that the text of Ron Paul's newsletters are an example.
<br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br>
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Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br>Date: Sat, 31 Dec
2011 14:41:13 -0800<br>From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">jborden@datawedge.com</a><br>To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I’m
not *<b>defending</b>* racism, I’m commenting on the mere finger-pointing
and accusations being so charged that it’s a nuclear weapon in a political
arsenal. </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">It’s
used as a tool for distraction, and hence, theatrics. (And, unless I
missed the mark, perhaps Mr. Rumelhart’s point).</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Insert
story of “crying wolf”.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Jay</span></p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"> keely
emerinemix [<a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></p></div></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt">Jay, I would rue
the day that racist behavior and bigoted views become irrelevant in how we
choose our leaders. There are issues that truly good people can
disagree on; racism, however, is never the view of a "truly good person,"
and in fact ought to, by virtue of popular outcry, immediately make a pariah
out of the one who embraces it.<br><br></span><span style="font-family:'Verdana','sans-serif';color:rgb(128,100,162)">Keely<br><a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br><br></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt">Date: Sat, 31
Dec 2011 14:17:33 -0800<br>From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">jborden@datawedge.com</a><br>To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I
would agree with Paul’s statement… but I would word it a bit differently to
deflect some of the immediate hatred I’m sure will be heading my
way.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I
would say that racism, like abortion and gay marriage are *<b>USED</b>* as
theatrical issues. </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">It’s
interesting as soon as any candidate becomes popular in the polls, some
wild-card story gets tossed about dealing with one of these issues.
Then it’s pressed as long as necessary until the candidate just “goes
away”.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Rick
Perry (again, not a fan) was gaining traction… and then suddenly a story
about “Niggerhead” surfaced. (He has since nearly imploded on his own,
but that’s a separate issue).</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Ron
Paul gains even more traction this time around in the polls… and suddenly
some story connecting HIM to racisim surfaces. (I don’t recall
anything coming up about this story 4 years ago when he was running for
President).</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">The
topics themselves are extremely important… but the *<b>USE</b>* of these
subjects has become nothing more than positioning and theatrical
tools. </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Is
your opponent getting too much positive attention? No problem… just
toss out one of these venomous statements (who cares whether it’s true or
not… just phrase it in the form of an “objective question” like Fox News
does to avoid slander/libel)… and then sit back and watch the
show.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Once
some story making any of these accusations hits the public… it’s like
kryptonite… and it’s used as such. </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';font-size:11pt">Jay</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Saundra Lund<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011
12:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">In
part, Paul wrote:</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Racism,
like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues". They are
issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps to hungry dogs
for them to fight over. While they are important in and of themselves,
they are really meant to distract us from realizing that we have more power
than we think we do.”</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Yes,
I do suppose it’s a lot easier to look at issues like racism, abortion, and
gay marriage as “theatrical issues” when you’re <b>not</b> the minority
family unable to rent a home due to racism, and you’re <b>not</b> the
17-year-old incest victim forced to carry your granddaddy’s baby or risk
death from a backdoor abortion, and you’re <b>not</b> the lesbian at risk of
losing custody of your children born via IVF to your now-deceased 15 year
partner because her family never “approved” of the non-marriage.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Yuppers
– I guess for some, it is a lot easier to take the position that those
issues, while “important,” really are just “theatrical issues” when one
isn’t the target, when one lacks of empathy . . . or when one lacks the
sense God gave a billy goat.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Not
in <b>my</b> America. I agree with Sue’s comment, “</span><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';font-size:10pt">All rights and
even some privileges should belong to all citizens” a</span><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">nd
shouldn’t depend on where in the US one lives.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Paul
also wrote:</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">In
my opinion we should concentrate on our civil liberties . . .”</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I
guess I’m unclear as to how you define “civil liberties,” but reproductive
freedom & gay marriage both fit into my definition of the right of
privacy, which is an important US civil liberty.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Saundra
Lund</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Moscow,
ID</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">~
Edmund Burke</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31,
2011 9:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
[Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></p></div></div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">I
sent this only to Sue, when I meant to send it to the list.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Paul</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt;background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">-----
Forwarded Message -----<br><b>From:</b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To:</b>
Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>>
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:32 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">It
doesn't negate the evidence. For what it's worth, he claims that he
didn't write those newsletters that were put out in his name. Like
you've shown, a person can be compassionate and still be racist. Being
racist is not a black and white thing, no pun intended. It's something
that can change over a period of years. I grew up in a casually racist
household, and had to unlearn much of that over the years, as did my
parents. It's easy to fall into that trap when you grow up with it and
everyone around you thinks the same thing. As society changed, so did
those around me, and so did I.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">I've
said this many times on the Viz: I'm not looking for Jesus Christ or
Gandhi when I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for. I
want someone who will perform well in the job.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">So
the question is, assuming he is some kind of die-hard racist from the
sixties like he's being portrayed, is he going to deny blacks the right to
vote or serve on juries?</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Racism,
like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues". They are
issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps to hungry dogs
for them to fight over. While they are important in and of themselves,
they are really meant to distract us from realizing that we have more power
than we think we do. In my opinion we should concentrate on our civil
liberties, and in stopping the steady power buildup for the Executive branch
that's been going on for years. That's far more dangerous to us in the
short term than any of these hot button issues are. Like Sunil said in
another post, it's all about priorities.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Paul</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt;background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">
Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>><br><b>To:</b>
Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2011 10:34 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">It’s
a lovely story, Paul. And a powerful instance of Ron Paul’s compassion, but
how does it negate the evidence of his racism in those published
reports? My Texas grandfather was a racist through and through, yet he
performed kind and generous acts to the people he belittled, and to whom he
would have denied the vote, the right to serve on juries (along with women)
and most especially the right to sit up front in public
transportation. </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Sue
H. </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:whitesmoke" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">
<a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</a> </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:whitesmoke" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">
Friday, December 30, 2011 10:18 PM</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:whitesmoke" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">To:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:whitesmoke" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">
[Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div></div></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">Here
is a video in response to allegations of racism being leveled at Ron
Paul. It was made by "Revolution PAC", a "superPAC" whose sole purpose
is to get Ron Paul elected. It's entitled "The Compassion of Dr. Ron
Paul":</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4</a></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt"></span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p style="background:white" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';color:black;font-size:10pt">If
we're going to attack Ron Paul with allegations of racism on the list, I
thought it might be nice to see what his side has to say.</span><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif';font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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