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Neither of us were talking about DADT, we were talking about their positions on gay marriage, and as far as I know, Obama is not currently in favor of gay marriage. He has come out against the Defense of Marriage Act, but that would simply leave things to each state, which I believe is Paul's position.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>From: thansen@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br>Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:54:18 -0800<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br><br><div>Obama repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".</div><div><br></div><div>Ron Paul stated more than once, during the debates, that he would not repeal DADT.</div><div><br><div>Seeya later, Moscow.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom Hansen</div><div>Spokane, Washington</div><div><br></div><div>"If not us, who?</div><div>If not now, when?"</div><div><br></div><div>- Unknown</div></div><div><br>On Jan 1, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr">
So currently is his position any different than Obama's? Is the only difference that Obama's position is 'evolving,' perhaps with the benefit of polling?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="ecxSkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:25:02 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br><br>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Kelly,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Here in a nutshell is Ron Paul's position on gay
marriage:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">As a lifelong Christian, he is personally against
it. He is against any federal legislation on this issue, but for allowing
each state to decide the issue themselves.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Needless to say, besides most likely leading to the
denial of gays to marry in many states, the legal morasses created by allowing
gay marriage in some states and not allowing it or not recognizing it in other
states are horrifying to contemplate.</font></div>
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<div> <font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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<div style="font-color:black"><b>From:</b> <a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
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<div dir="ltr">Being a racist doesn't mean he's wrong on these issues, Sunil --
but it means that, as Ron Paul (if he is, in fact, a racist), he should be
applauded for those views he holds that are correct and challenged on any that
you, I, or anyone else disagrees with. It doesn't mean he ought to run for
office, or that we ought to vote for him.<br><br>There are plenty of people, I
imagine, who are right about the issues you mention below who aren't bigots, and
who -- perhaps more germane to the conversation -- wouldn't gut the social
services that make this country not only habitable (imperfect and imperfectly
delivered as they are), but moral. I think you and I see the
defense/national security issues fairly similarly, and we likely also applaud
Paul's views on legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, and maybe a couple of other
issues. Nonetheless, even those areas on which I agree with Paul -- the
ones I just mentioned and the ones you did -- aren't enough for me either to
vote for him, or overlook what at least the most fervent Paul supporter would
acknowledge was carelessness in letting bigots crank out his newsletter.
<br><br>The cumulative effect of Paul's economic and some of his social policies
will harm more people -- people already marginalized and suffering -- than the
hundreds of thousands this and the previous war-courting administrations
have. Do I take any comfort in that? <br><br>No. Not at
all. But I have to vote for the man who seems to have more, better answers
than the one who has one or two good ones. And I can't afford to combine
the worst of both Obama and Paul by risking the horror of, say, a Perry or
Bachmann presidency.<br><br>Thanks, Sunil.<br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Sat, 31
Dec 2011 18:12:36 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Let's for one moment assume that Paul is a racist. I'm not saying
he is, just assume he is so that issue doesn't need to be discussed for a
minute.<br><br>Is he wrong on ending our wars? Is he wrong on cutting the
defense budget? Is he wrong about the Patriot Act? Is he wrong about the
Executive Branch seizing powers it should not have?<br><br>What say you, Keely,
Wayne, Saundra, Tom?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>To:
<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On
Ron Paul and Racism<br><br><br>He has admitted to putting out an investment
newsletter that (as far as I can tell) was not one of the newsletters that
printed the racist comments. It had all sorts of conspiracy theories about
what will happen to people trying to deal in large amounts of cash, most of
which have come true - just not in the way he thought. Try taking a large
pile of cash through airport security and see how well that goes.<br><br>Another
distraction attempt, supposedly a smoking gun, apparently succeeds in its
goals. Or maybe this is just jumping on the bandwagon, since it is the
Daily Mail, after all.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 12/31/2011 04:44 PM, Art Deco
wrote:
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">See:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2"><a title="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html
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+ Click to follow link" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html" target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html</a></font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">Scroll down to see the videos of Paul Himself
acknowledging the letters, etc.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">All javascript scripts must be allowed in
order to see the whole article including the videos.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana" size="2">w.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
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<div><br></div><br>Does it matter whether or not the allegations are
true? Or do we just call them out anyway?<br><br>Here is an article from
CBS News about the newsletters: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/</a><br><br>The
article contains a quote by Ron Paul on the issue: <br><br>"When I was
out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published
under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the
product," he said. "For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral
responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my
name."<br><br>I'd hate to see the man dragged over the coals for something he
might not have deserved solely because (for example) Jon Huntsman is losing to
Ron Paul in New Hampshire and has staked his campaign on a strong showing
there.<br><br>I got that last bit from this article: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/</a><br><br>And
once again, this is only out there in order to distract us. These people
could care less if it's even true. It's just
convenient.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 12/31/2011 02:44 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I don't think you're defending racism, racist behavior, or even
the wrongness of screaming "He's a racist!" at the slightest apparent
provocation. That said, I think it's imperative that legitimate
indications that an individual's views on race/gender/class/civil
rights/culture are bigoted be called out, examined, and condemned -- and I
believe that the text of Ron Paul's newsletters are an example.
<br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br>
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Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br>Date: Sat, 31 Dec
2011 14:41:13 -0800<br>From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com"></a><a href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">jborden@datawedge.com</a><br>To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"></a><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm"></a><a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I’m
not *<b>defending</b>* racism, I’m commenting on the mere finger-pointing
and accusations being so charged that it’s a nuclear weapon in a political
arsenal. </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">It’s
used as a tool for distraction, and hence, theatrics. (And, unless I
missed the mark, perhaps Mr. Rumelhart’s point).</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Insert
story of “crying wolf”.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Jay</span></p></div>
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