<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18pt"><div><span>Wayne,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I think this could eventually happen. I also think, to be fair, that the Federal Government could deny states that don't allow recognition of same sex civil unions or marriage any Federal <span id="misspell-0"><span>Benefits</span></span> to all married couples in that state. States would have to decided if maintaining their bigotry or not getting a tax return is more important. I trust the majority of residents in all or almost all states would opt for having the federal benefits. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;
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<div><font face="Verdana">The only hope I have, and that is not much, is that
the Supreme Court will eventually rule that not allowing same sex marriages is a
violation of equal protection guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:47 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </div>
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<div dir="ltr">So currently is his position any different than Obama's? Is the
only difference that Obama's position is 'evolving,' perhaps with the benefit of
polling?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Sun, 1
Jan 2012 14:25:02 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
Racism<br><br>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Kelly,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Here in a nutshell is Ron Paul's position on gay
marriage:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">As a lifelong Christian, he is personally against
it. He is against any federal legislation on this issue, but for allowing
each state to decide the issue themselves.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Verdana">Needless to say, besides most likely leading to the
denial of gays to marry in many states, the legal morasses created by allowing
gay marriage in some states and not allowing it or not recognizing it in other
states are horrifying to contemplate.</font></div>
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<div> <font face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
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<div dir="ltr">Being a racist doesn't mean he's wrong on these issues, Sunil --
but it means that, as Ron Paul (if he is, in fact, a racist), he should be
applauded for those views he holds that are correct and challenged on any that
you, I, or anyone else disagrees with. It doesn't mean he ought to run for
office, or that we ought to vote for him.<br><br>There are plenty of people, I
imagine, who are right about the issues you mention below who aren't bigots, and
who -- perhaps more germane to the conversation -- wouldn't gut the social
services that make this country not only habitable (imperfect and imperfectly
delivered as they are), but moral. I think you and I see the
defense/national security issues fairly similarly, and we likely also applaud
Paul's views on legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, and maybe a couple of other
issues. Nonetheless, even those areas on which I agree with Paul -- the
ones I just mentioned and the ones you did -- aren't enough for me either to
vote for him, or overlook what at least the most fervent Paul supporter would
acknowledge was carelessness in letting bigots crank out his newsletter.
<br><br>The cumulative effect of Paul's economic and some of his social policies
will harm more people -- people already marginalized and suffering -- than the
hundreds of thousands this and the previous war-courting administrations
have. Do I take any comfort in that? <br><br>No. Not at
all. But I have to vote for the man who seems to have more, better answers
than the one who has one or two good ones. And I can't afford to combine
the worst of both Obama and Paul by risking the horror of, say, a Perry or
Bachmann presidency.<br><br>Thanks, Sunil.<br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br>
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From: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Sat, 31
Dec 2011 18:12:36 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and
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<div dir="ltr">Let's for one moment assume that Paul is a racist. I'm not saying
he is, just assume he is so that issue doesn't need to be discussed for a
minute.<br><br>Is he wrong on ending our wars? Is he wrong on cutting the
defense budget? Is he wrong about the Patriot Act? Is he wrong about the
Executive Branch seizing powers it should not have?<br><br>What say you, Keely,
Wayne, Saundra, Tom?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800<br>From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>To:
deco@moscow.com<br>CC: Vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On
Ron Paul and Racism<br><br><br>He has admitted to putting out an investment
newsletter that (as far as I can tell) was not one of the newsletters that
printed the racist comments. It had all sorts of conspiracy theories about
what will happen to people trying to deal in large amounts of cash, most of
which have come true - just not in the way he thought. Try taking a large
pile of cash through airport security and see how well that goes.<br><br>Another
distraction attempt, supposedly a smoking gun, apparently succeeds in its
goals. Or maybe this is just jumping on the bandwagon, since it is the
Daily Mail, after all.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 12/31/2011 04:44 PM, Art Deco
wrote:
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">See:</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana"><a title="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html
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+ Click to follow link" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078217/Ron-Paul-racist-homophobic-newsletters-Video-taking-credit.html</a></font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">Scroll down to see the videos of Paul Himself
acknowledging the letters, etc.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">All javascript scripts must be allowed in
order to see the whole article including the videos.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">w.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
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Racism</div></div></div>
<div><br></div><br>Does it matter whether or not the allegations are
true? Or do we just call them out anyway?<br><br>Here is an article from
CBS News about the newsletters: <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/</a><br><br>The
article contains a quote by Ron Paul on the issue: <br><br>"When I was
out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published
under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the
product," he said. "For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral
responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my
name."<br><br>I'd hate to see the man dragged over the coals for something he
might not have deserved solely because (for example) Jon Huntsman is losing to
Ron Paul in New Hampshire and has staked his campaign on a strong showing
there.<br><br>I got that last bit from this article: <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/</a><br><br>And
once again, this is only out there in order to distract us. These people
could care less if it's even true. It's just
convenient.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 12/31/2011 02:44 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I don't think you're defending racism, racist behavior, or even
the wrongness of screaming "He's a racist!" at the slightest apparent
provocation. That said, I think it's imperative that legitimate
indications that an individual's views on race/gender/class/civil
rights/culture are bigoted be called out, examined, and condemned -- and I
believe that the text of Ron Paul's newsletters are an example.
<br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br>
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Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br>Date: Sat, 31 Dec
2011 14:41:13 -0800<br>From: <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">jborden@datawedge.com</a><br>To: <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>; <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><br>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I’m
not *<b>defending</b>* racism, I’m commenting on the mere finger-pointing
and accusations being so charged that it’s a nuclear weapon in a political
arsenal. </span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>It’s
used as a tool for distraction, and hence, theatrics. (And, unless I
missed the mark, perhaps Mr. Rumelhart’s point).</span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Insert
story of “crying wolf”.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Jay</span></div></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> keely
emerinemix [<a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Borden; <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></div></div></div>
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<div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Jay, I would rue
the day that racist behavior and bigoted views become irrelevant in how we
choose our leaders. There are issues that truly good people can
disagree on; racism, however, is never the view of a "truly good person,"
and in fact ought to, by virtue of popular outcry, immediately make a pariah
out of the one who embraces it.<br><br></span><span style='color: rgb(128, 100, 162); font-family: "sans-serif";'>Keely<br><a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br><br></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
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<div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Date: Sat, 31
Dec 2011 14:17:33 -0800<br>From: <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jborden@datawedge.com">jborden@datawedge.com</a><br>To: <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I
would agree with Paul’s statement… but I would word it a bit differently to
deflect some of the immediate hatred I’m sure will be heading my
way.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I
would say that racism, like abortion and gay marriage are *<b>USED</b>* as
theatrical issues. </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>It’s
interesting as soon as any candidate becomes popular in the polls, some
wild-card story gets tossed about dealing with one of these issues.
Then it’s pressed as long as necessary until the candidate just “goes
away”.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Rick
Perry (again, not a fan) was gaining traction… and then suddenly a story
about “Niggerhead” surfaced. (He has since nearly imploded on his own,
but that’s a separate issue).</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Ron
Paul gains even more traction this time around in the polls… and suddenly
some story connecting HIM to racisim surfaces. (I don’t recall
anything coming up about this story 4 years ago when he was running for
President).</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>The
topics themselves are extremely important… but the *<b>USE</b>* of these
subjects has become nothing more than positioning and theatrical
tools. </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Is
your opponent getting too much positive attention? No problem… just
toss out one of these venomous statements (who cares whether it’s true or
not… just phrase it in the form of an “objective question” like Fox News
does to avoid slander/libel)… and then sit back and watch the
show.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Once
some story making any of these accusations hits the public… it’s like
kryptonite… and it’s used as such. </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Jay</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Saundra Lund<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011
12:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></div></div></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>In
part, Paul wrote:</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>“</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Racism,
like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues". They are
issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps to hungry dogs
for them to fight over. While they are important in and of themselves,
they are really meant to distract us from realizing that we have more power
than we think we do.”</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Yes,
I do suppose it’s a lot easier to look at issues like racism, abortion, and
gay marriage as “theatrical issues” when you’re <b>not</b> the minority
family unable to rent a home due to racism, and you’re <b>not</b> the
17-year-old incest victim forced to carry your granddaddy’s baby or risk
death from a backdoor abortion, and you’re <b>not</b> the lesbian at risk of
losing custody of your children born via IVF to your now-deceased 15 year
partner because her family never “approved” of the non-marriage.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Yuppers
– I guess for some, it is a lot easier to take the position that those
issues, while “important,” really are just “theatrical issues” when one
isn’t the target, when one lacks of empathy . . . or when one lacks the
sense God gave a billy goat.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Not
in <b>my</b> America. I agree with Sue’s comment, “</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>All rights and
even some privileges should belong to all citizens” a</span><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>nd
shouldn’t depend on where in the US one lives.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Paul
also wrote:</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>“</span><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>In
my opinion we should concentrate on our civil liberties . . .”</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I
guess I’m unclear as to how you define “civil liberties,” but reproductive
freedom & gay marriage both fit into my definition of the right of
privacy, which is an important US civil liberty.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Saundra
Lund</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Moscow,
ID</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>~
Edmund Burke</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
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<div class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31,
2011 9:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a class="yiv1871640753ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
[Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></div></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I
sent this only to Sue, when I meant to send it to the list.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Paul</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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Forwarded Message -----<br><b>From:</b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To:</b>
Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>>
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:32 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>It
doesn't negate the evidence. For what it's worth, he claims that he
didn't write those newsletters that were put out in his name. Like
you've shown, a person can be compassionate and still be racist. Being
racist is not a black and white thing, no pun intended. It's something
that can change over a period of years. I grew up in a casually racist
household, and had to unlearn much of that over the years, as did my
parents. It's easy to fall into that trap when you grow up with it and
everyone around you thinks the same thing. As society changed, so did
those around me, and so did I.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I've
said this many times on the Viz: I'm not looking for Jesus Christ or
Gandhi when I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for. I
want someone who will perform well in the job.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>So
the question is, assuming he is some kind of die-hard racist from the
sixties like he's being portrayed, is he going to deny blacks the right to
vote or serve on juries?</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span> </div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Racism,
like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues". They are
issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps to hungry dogs
for them to fight over. While they are important in and of themselves,
they are really meant to distract us from realizing that we have more power
than we think we do. In my opinion we should concentrate on our civil
liberties, and in stopping the steady power buildup for the Executive branch
that's been going on for years. That's far more dangerous to us in the
short term than any of these hot button issues are. Like Sunil said in
another post, it's all about priorities.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Paul</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white; margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>
Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>><br><b>To:</b>
Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2011 10:34 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>It’s
a lovely story, Paul. And a powerful instance of Ron Paul’s compassion, but
how does it negate the evidence of his racism in those published
reports? My Texas grandfather was a racist through and through, yet he
performed kind and generous acts to the people he belittled, and to whom he
would have denied the vote, the right to serve on juries (along with women)
and most especially the right to sit up front in public
transportation. </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Sue
H. </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: whitesmoke;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>
<a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</a> </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: whitesmoke;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Sent:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>
Friday, December 30, 2011 10:18 PM</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: whitesmoke;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>To:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: whitesmoke;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Subject:</span></b><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>
[Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Here
is a video in response to allegations of racism being leveled at Ron
Paul. It was made by "Revolution PAC", a "superPAC" whose sole purpose
is to get Ron Paul elected. It's entitled "The Compassion of Dr. Ron
Paul":</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4</a></span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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<div style="background: white;" class="yiv1871640753ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: black; font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>If
we're going to attack Ron Paul with allegations of racism on the list, I
thought it might be nice to see what his side has to say.</span><span style='font-family: "sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'></span></div></div>
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