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I think the right to due process is perhaps the most important civil liberty; without it one can be either imprisoned or killed at the whim of the executive.<br><br>It turns out that is now the status quo here.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:03:06 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism<br><br>
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</style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In part, Paul wrote:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="color:black">Racism, like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues". They are issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps to hungry dogs for them to fight over. While they are important in and of themselves, they are really meant to distract us from realizing that we have more power than we think we do.”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, I do suppose it’s a lot easier to look at issues like racism, abortion, and gay marriage as “theatrical issues” when you’re <b>not</b> the minority family unable to rent a home due to racism, and you’re <b>not</b> the 17-year-old incest victim forced to carry your granddaddy’s baby or risk death from a backdoor abortion, and you’re <b>not</b> the lesbian at risk of losing custody of your children born via IVF to your now-deceased 15 year partner because her family never “approved” of the non-marriage.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yuppers – I guess for some, it is a lot easier to take the position that those issues, while “important,” really are just “theatrical issues” when one isn’t the target, when one lacks of empathy . . . or when one lacks the sense God gave a billy goat.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not in <b>my</b> America. I agree with Sue’s comment, “</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">All rights and even some privileges should belong to all citizens” a</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">nd shouldn’t depend on where in the US one lives.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul also wrote:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="color:black">In my opinion we should concentrate on our civil liberties . . .”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I guess I’m unclear as to how you define “civil liberties,” but reproductive freedom & gay marriage both fit into my definition of the right of privacy, which is an important US civil liberty.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Saundra Lund</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Moscow, ID</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">~ Edmund Burke</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">I sent this only to Sue, when I meant to send it to the list.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Paul</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">----- Forwarded Message -----<br><b>From:</b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:32 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism<br></span><span style="color:black"><br><br></span></p><div id="ecxyiv1626928393"><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">It doesn't negate the evidence. For what it's worth, he claims that he didn't write those newsletters that were put out in his name. Like you've shown, a person can be compassionate and still be racist. Being racist is not a black and white thing, no pun intended. It's something that can change over a period of years. I grew up in a casually racist household, and had to unlearn much of that over the years, as did my parents. It's easy to fall into that trap when you grow up with it and everyone around you thinks the same thing. As society changed, so did those around me, and so did I.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">I've said this many times on the Viz: I'm not looking for Jesus Christ or Gandhi when I'm looking for a Presidential candidate to vote for. I want someone who will perform well in the job.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">So the question is, assuming he is some kind of die-hard racist from the sixties like he's being portrayed, is he going to deny blacks the right to vote or serve on juries?</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Racism, like abortion and gay marriage, are all "theatrical issues". They are issues that are tossed out to the American public like scraps to hungry dogs for them to fight over. While they are important in and of themselves, they are really meant to distract us from realizing that we have more power than we think we do. In my opinion we should concentrate on our civil liberties, and in stopping the steady power buildup for the Executive branch that's been going on for years. That's far more dangerous to us in the short term than any of these hot button issues are. Like Sunil said in another post, it's all about priorities.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Paul</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Sue Hovey <<a href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2011 10:34 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><div id="ecxyiv1626928393"><div><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">It’s a lovely story, Paul. And a powerful instance of Ron Paul’s compassion, but how does it negate the evidence of his racism in those published reports? My Texas grandfather was a racist through and through, yet he performed kind and generous acts to the people he belittled, and to whom he would have denied the vote, the right to serve on juries (along with women) and most especially the right to sit up front in public transportation. </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sue H. </span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" title="godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Friday, December 30, 2011 10:18 PM</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> [Vision2020] On Ron Paul and Racism</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Here is a video in response to allegations of racism being leveled at Ron Paul. It was made by "Revolution PAC", a "superPAC" whose sole purpose is to get Ron Paul elected. It's entitled "The Compassion of Dr. Ron Paul":</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4</a></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">If we're going to attack Ron Paul with allegations of racism on the list, I thought it might be nice to see what his side has to say.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Paul</span></p></div></div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div><br>=======================================================
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