<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18pt"><div><span>Jay and Paul,</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I think character not length of time in office impact corruption. There have been a fine number of Presidents and other politicians that participated in plenty of corruption to last a lifetime in just the first half of their first term, like Nixon, Harding, and Grant. Likewise, many Presidents have done their finest work in the latter days of their time in office such as Lincoln, both <span id="misspell-0"><span><span id="misspell-0"><span>Roosevelt's</span></span></span></span>, and Lyndon Johnson. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>There is nothing wrong with power accumulating in the hands of a few good people as long as that power was given to them and taken away at will<var
 id="yui-ie-cursor"></var> by the people and the power is used for the best interests of the people.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I personally think the level of corruption is more influenced by the high influence of lobbyists in financing campaigns and seedy characters <span id="misspell-0"><span>attracted</span></span> to power. </span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Donovan Arnold </span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div>  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart
 <godshatter@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jay Borden <jborden@datawedge.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Vision2020@moscow.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 30, 2011 12:54 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] <span id="misspell-1" class="mark">Fw</span>: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign<br> </font> <br>
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    According to this link
    (http://www.southernnh912.com/sites/default/files/PresidentialCandidatePositions_20111203.pdf),
    Gingrich, Paul, and Romney are for, Perry is against.  The others
    state that their campaigns have been contacted, but no answer has
    been received.  I don't know what <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">Obama's</span> stance is on term limits.<br>
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    Paul<br>
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    On 12/30/2011 11:02 AM, Jay Borden wrote:
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        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">I’<span id="misspell-3" class="mark">ve</span> been a proponent of term limits for… well,
            forever.  We limit the number of terms for our President, we
            need to limit the terms in our House and Senate.   Having
            people in office for *<b>decades</b>* does nothing but
            consolidate power and invite corruption.</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">If you *<b>truly</b>* want representation in
            America, we have to rotate through our elected
            representatives… frequently.   </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">  </span></div> 
        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">To do this, Americans are going to have to put
            aside all other opinions until this is achieved. 
            Environment?  Abortion?  Taxes?  Left-handed dentists?  All
            of these items need to be tabled, and the *<b>one question</b>*
            that needs to be asked of a candidate is “Will you introduce
            and vote for term limits?”  It needs to be the *<b>only</b>*
            reason to vote for a candidate, and until the goal is
            accomplished, it needs to be the *<b>only</b>*reason that a
            candidate is voted FOR.</span></div> 
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        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">THEN, when term limits come to fruition… when our
            elected representatives cannot stay in office and continue
            to consolidate power and control… then we can dust off our
            beliefs and take them to a government that is as elastic as
            the population it represents.</span></div> 
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        <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Jay</span></div> 
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            <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"> <a class="yiv1731053142moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
                [<a class="yiv1731053142moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
                </b>Paul Rumelhart<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Art Deco<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="yiv1731053142moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Fw</span>: Mr. Paul’s
                Discredited Campaign</span></div> 
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          If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll
          veto anything that he finds to be unconstitutional.  This
          will, at the very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act
          and increases in funding for <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">DHS</span>.  Even if Congress can come
          up with enough votes to override the veto, issues like this
          will suddenly be at the forefront of the "national
          conversation" about what's going on in government.  For this
          alone, I'd like to see him get in there.<br>
          <br>
          Paul<br>
          <br>
          On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote: </div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>I agree with
              Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and
              globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians'
              ways of repairing them.  We need bold, realistic,
              non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us to re-evaluate
              our situation, offer feasible solutions, and to convince
              us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices necessary.</span></div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>Though not
              traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those
              leaders.</span></div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>His view of
              the world and his positions are too simplistic for the
              complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in. 
              The latest revelations have shown that his integrity does
              not rise above the minimum standard.  The simplicity of
              his views are his main attraction to many, but reality is
              the barricade to his views ever producing workable
              solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the
              messes we now face.</span></div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>In addition,
              some of his views are so abhorrent and/or <span id="misspell-8" class="mark">crackpotty</span> that
              he would not be likely to convince congress to implement
              them in the face of public opinion.</span></div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>Having said
              that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of
              leaders that seem capable of fixing things.  The best I
              can hope for is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at
              least by a little, to struggle on.</span></div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>I'm glad I'm
              old and not likely to live too much longer.  I don't not
              want to see the result of where the world is heading and
              the foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to
              be done to change that direction.</span></div> 
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          <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span>w.</span></div> 
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              <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a title="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com  CTRL +                     Click to follow link" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><span id="misspell-9" class="mark">Sunil</span> <span id="misspell-10" class="mark">Ramalingam</span></a> </span></div> 
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              <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Friday,
                  December 30, 2011 7:54 AM</span></div> 
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              <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com  CTRL + Click to                     follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </span></div> 
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              <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Re:
                  [Vision2020] <span id="misspell-11" class="mark">Fw</span>: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign</span></div> 
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          <div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal">Why doesn't
            the <span id="misspell-12" class="mark">NYT</span> address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On defense
            spending?<br>
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            <span id="misspell-13" class="mark">Sunil</span></div> 
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            <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal">Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800<br>
              From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
              To: <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>
              CC: <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
              Subject: Re: [Vision2020] <span id="misspell-14" class="mark">Fw</span>: Mr. Paul’s Discredited
              Campaign<br>
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              <br>
              I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to
              stop the <span id="misspell-15" class="mark">downslope</span> this country is on.  For example, the
              Transportation Security Administration just got an extra
              $7.85 billion in funding for 2012, including several
              hundred million dollars of funding for whole body
              <span id="misspell-16" class="mark">imagers</span>.  This passed both the House and the Senate.  Does
              anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a
              personally actionable danger?  Do you change your behavior
              at all due to the threat?  Do you think all the security
              theater is worth the money?<br>
              <br>
              Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes
              against this kind of crap.  Pretty much everybody else,
              (R) or (D), votes it in.  All they seem to argue about is
              who is getting the pork.<br>
              <br>
              As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but
              next year having slipped even farther away from
              rationality or 2) this one bat-shit crazy dude that might
              actually try to do something about it.<br>
              <br>
              One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is
              actually getting press.  There was a massive grassroots
              campaign for him the last couple of elections, but nobody
              in the media would take him seriously as an actual
              candidate.<br>
              <br>
              The fact that they have started the smear campaign means
              that there is actually a chance of getting him in office.<br>
              <br>
              My advice?  Don't vote for the person that looks like the
              most responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's
              someone you could have a beer with, or the one that looks
              like a he's a successful lawyer.  All of those guys are
              going to perpetuate the power grab that has been going on
              for the last few decades.<br>
              <br>
              Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the
              others.  Vote for the one that will work to decrease their
              power, not the others that only want to increase it for
              personal gain.<br>
              <br>
              Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes.  But he's the
              only one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.<br>
              <br>
              This should be a fun election year.<br>
              <br>
              Paul<br>
              <br>
              On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote: </div> 
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              <h1><span>Mr.
                  Paul’s Discredited Campaign</span></h1> 
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                <div class="yiv1731053142MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Ron
                    Paul long ago disqualified himself for the
                    presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like
                    abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the
                    gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget
                    and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights
                    Act of 1964. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Now,
                    making things worse, he has failed to convincingly
                    repudiate racist remarks that were published under
                    his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he
                    is getting from racist groups. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mr.
                    Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is
                    doing particularly well in Iowa’s <span id="misspell-17" class="mark">precaucus</span> polls,
                    published several newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s
                    with names like the Ron Paul Survival Report and the
                    Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters
                    interspersed libertarian political and investment
                    commentary with racial bigotry, anti-<span id="misspell-18" class="mark">Semitism</span> and
                    far-right paranoia. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Among
                    other offensive statements, the newsletters said
                    that <a title="McClatchey report" href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">95
                      percent of Washington’s black males were criminals</a>,
                    and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King
                    Jr.’s birthday as “Hate Whitey Day.” One <a title="PDF  of a newsletter" href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">1993
                      article</a> appeared under a headline lamenting
                    the country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other
                    articles suggested that the <span id="misspell-19" class="mark">Mossad</span>, the Israeli
                    intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993
                    World Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana
                    racist David Duke and accused some gay men with AIDS
                    of <a title="NYT  report" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">deliberately
                      spreading the disease</a>, “perhaps out of a
                    pathological hatred.” </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">A <a title="Reuters report" href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">direct-mail
                      ad</a> for the newsletters from around 1993 warned
                    of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said
                    there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to
                    suppress the impact of AIDS. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mr.
                    Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the
                    articles and their ideas, now says that most of them
                    were written by others and that he was unaware of
                    their content. Even if that were the case, it
                    suggests a stupendous level of negligence that
                    should force a reconsideration by anyone considering
                    entrusting him with the White House. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">When
                    the newsletters first became an issue during his
                    Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, <a title="Slate  report" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">he did not
                      deny writing some of them</a> or knowing about
                    them. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mr.
                    Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting
                    of who wrote the newsletters and what his role was
                    in overseeing their publication. It’s especially
                    important that he do so immediately. Those writings
                    have certainly not been forgotten by white
                    supremacist and militia groups that are promoting
                    his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">The
                    Times <a title="NYT report" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">reported on
                      Sunday</a> that dozens of members of the white
                    nationalist Web site <span id="misspell-20" class="mark">Stormfront</span> are volunteering for
                    the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias,
                    survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the
                    <span id="misspell-21" class="mark">Stormfront</span> director, said his members were drawn to
                    Mr. Paul by the newsletters and his positions
                    against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr.
                    Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a
                    white nationalist. </span><br>
                  <span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mr.
                    Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these
                    supporters to his views, has refused to disavow them
                    or to chase them out of his campaign. If he does not
                    do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his
                    candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very
                    possibly, on the Iowa caucuses. </span></div> 
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